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to think my dentist should not have f*****d up my first botox?

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regretbot · 03/03/2024 20:49

I had my first botox a few weeks ago, I asked for a subtle eye brow lift and came away with a completely immobile and bruised left side of my forehead. I can't raise my left eyebrow at all, it's actually lower than it was in the first place. The right side has only a tiny movement, but at least it doesn't feel heavy.

In the two week review his reponse to this was to say he'd 'make a note'. Apparently this was so that next time he'd do better. I honestly have no intention of going back. I've lost trust completely.

Is this normal? I signed all sorts of forms before the treatment, but assumed he'd do a good job. He's known me for years. In retrospect he was just looking to sell me as much as possible.

Do I just have to suck it up and wait for the botox to wear off? I mean i know i just have to wait for the botox to wear off, but shouldn't he be offering me a refund or something?

OP posts:
JennieTheZebra · 04/03/2024 10:53

@Littlebowiepeep Yes, in 2021 the GMC/NMC/GDC banned “remote prescribing” of cosmetic injectables. This means that the prescriber has to examine the patient directly and face to face before being able to legally prescribe. In practice, this means that only doctors/dentists/other non medical prescribers like advanced nurse practitioners with prescribing rights can run a Botox clinic independently. Everyone else has to have a prescriber there to examine each patient. This does make it safer for everyone as prescribers have much higher levels of training and a face to face examination means that less should go wrong-but it wouldn’t stop a situation like the OP’s.

Littlebowiepeep · 04/03/2024 10:56

JennieTheZebra · 04/03/2024 10:53

@Littlebowiepeep Yes, in 2021 the GMC/NMC/GDC banned “remote prescribing” of cosmetic injectables. This means that the prescriber has to examine the patient directly and face to face before being able to legally prescribe. In practice, this means that only doctors/dentists/other non medical prescribers like advanced nurse practitioners with prescribing rights can run a Botox clinic independently. Everyone else has to have a prescriber there to examine each patient. This does make it safer for everyone as prescribers have much higher levels of training and a face to face examination means that less should go wrong-but it wouldn’t stop a situation like the OP’s.

Edited

Thanks for the explanation, most interesting.

SherrieElmer · 04/03/2024 10:59

You did Botox at a dentist ???
You didn't get in queue the day they were handing out brains.

LovelyTheresa · 04/03/2024 11:00

SherrieElmer · 04/03/2024 10:59

You did Botox at a dentist ???
You didn't get in queue the day they were handing out brains.

RTFT. It isn't as weird as you think.

BusyMummy001 · 04/03/2024 11:00

Posted here in error…

LovelyTheresa · 04/03/2024 11:01

BusyMummy001 · 04/03/2024 11:00

Posted here in error…

Edited

Did you post this in the wrong thread? What has this to do with Botox?

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 04/03/2024 11:01

My NHS dentist has been doing Botox and other procedures for years, I'm surprised at the surprise.

ColleenDonaghy · 04/03/2024 11:02

SherrieElmer · 04/03/2024 10:59

You did Botox at a dentist ???
You didn't get in queue the day they were handing out brains.

Oh god the irony. It's delicious.

BusyMummy001 · 04/03/2024 11:03

LovelyTheresa · 04/03/2024 11:01

Did you post this in the wrong thread? What has this to do with Botox?

Yes - MN doing something odd today or it’s my ipad. Edited as easier than asking for a delete.

BrightHarvestMoon · 04/03/2024 11:09

People are questioning the OP for going to a dentist for botox, but on the online form my dentist sent me before my check up the other week, they asked all the personal details questions, and then said 'are you satisfied with the appearance of your teeth?' and asked about the colour and shape of them, etc etc... Then they asked 'are you happy with your skin? Do you want to look younger?' And similar questions.... I remember thinking WTAF? Confused

I said NO because inexplicably I am happy with my face as it is. But if I had said 'yes I do want to look younger,' I suspect that they would have offered me botox.

I thought it was so weird! Why the F are dentists doing botox?! Confused Sorry yours wasn't up to scratch @regretbot I hope you didn't spend much! Sorry a few people have been harsh towards you too!

AppleDumplingWithCustard · 04/03/2024 11:17

Isitbedtimeyet3 · 03/03/2024 23:34

Dentists are not medically trained. Don’t go to them for botox. It’s not just knowing the facial anatomy. There is a lot more to it. I’m saying that as a qualified aesthetics nurse. You have to be a nurse or higher to be considered medically trained in aesthetics. Wait for it to wear off and go to someone else

Don’t be bloody ridiculous. Of course dentists are medically trained.

Terfosaurus · 04/03/2024 11:46

Well I genuinely didn't realise that dentists did botox. But actually it makes perfect sense now it's been explained.

Fixyourself · 04/03/2024 11:49

I'd much rather go to a dentist than an 'aesthetics technician'.
People must not realise the training dentists do.

toomanyleggings · 04/03/2024 11:49

I ‘m not summer what you expected. Botox does stop the movement in the forehead in order to smooth and lift. It’ll wear off in a month or two

Jins · 04/03/2024 12:00

I haven’t had Botox yet but I would only consider going to a dentist or a maxillofacial surgeon. At a push the GP friend that does it as a sideline.

Facial aestheticians, aesthetic technicians etc, basically anything that has aesthetics in their job title wouldn’t be coming near me

Lordofmyflies · 04/03/2024 12:02

Dentists do a 5 year degree with a high level of head and neck anatomy. They are probably the most appropriate people to do Botox as long as they have had good injecting training.
And for those saying they should be doing dentistry... perhaps if the government paid them appropriately to do NHS dentistry more dentists would work for the NHS and not work for privately. I can't see many people spending £45,000 on a degree and then choosing to work for a company that pays them half of what they can get elsewhere?!! But thats another issue!

Jk8 · 04/03/2024 12:04

regretbot · 03/03/2024 22:20

Perhaps i should have said this is a dentist whose primary focus is skin aesthetics. I've had other treatments there before. I'm quite surprised the consensus seems to be that I deserve what i get for using a dentist though. What even is a skin aesthetician?

It seems crazy to me that you can ask someone for one thing, and they give you another and even F**k that up, and we just shrug and say accidents can happen. It's not like it's cheap.

I did go for my two week appointment and that's when he offered, as a concession, to make a note to do it better 'next time'. The only way he could have fixed the asymetry would have been to remove all expression from my other eye. He suggested that it was my fault for being extra sensitive to it and said I could try hot compress to try to break the botox down quickly.

If hairdressers can do 24 hour skin tests for hair dye you'd think, if sensitivity levels are so variable, a responsible botoxer would test customer's reaction before injecting it everywhere?

Would I be crazy to leave a public review saying this guy doesn't really listen, just tries to squeeze as cash much out of his clients as possible and that he's also clumsy and doesn't give a shit?

If that was your honest experiance. Yes id want to know & it might help somebody else!

But I'd your unhappy with the effect it had on you personally (the botox) & felt the dentist (!)(still getting my head around this) 'knew more then you' (which there supposed to if theyre doing the work & you just researched the result you wanted I'd not bother

vivici · 04/03/2024 13:15

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 04/03/2024 10:53

All these comments about dentists doing Botox 'as a side line for money ' makes me laugh,as opposed to doctors or nurses doing it for love /free?

I mentioned it as a sideline to dentistry when compared to plastic surgeons who specialise in this area and are usually far better with the aesthetic aspect than the dentists. I've already mentioned that I've seen some dreadful lip filler done by dentists. Safely done but aesthetically dubious.

Bushmillsbabe · 04/03/2024 13:37

cardibach · 04/03/2024 10:33

It’s not scaremongering. As with any medical procedure there are inks. If the pay off is that you no longer have daily pain, the risk is probably completely worthwhile. If the pay off is you have smooth skin, not so much.

Absolutely! People undertake this procedures without understanding the consequences. The number of posts I see saying that 'I have had it 3-4 a year for past 5 years' and I'm like WTF, do you actually realise what you are doing, its not 'a little pick me up', it's a poison which eats away at your muscles, permenantly destroying them. It definitely has its place, but as health professionals using it for medical purposes we can't inject same muscle more than once a year, and 3-4 times ever, due to the scar tissue it creates in the muscles. I have seen scans of muscles which have been over injected and they are a complete mess. But no 'aesthetic practitioners' seem to tell people this info unfortunately, the shock when you do tell people is scary!

Tiddlywinks63 · 04/03/2024 13:58

Littlebowiepeep · 04/03/2024 07:04

"Would I be crazy to leave a public review saying this guy doesn't really listen, just tries to squeeze as cash much out of his clients as possible and that he's also clumsy and doesn't give a shit?"

Only if you are happy to be sued for Defamation !!

Yeh, carry on and slander him. I look forward to hearing about him suing you.
You need to take responsibility for your decision to go to a dentist for Botox.

vivici · 04/03/2024 14:59

We don't know the exact details to be able to advise properly, but I don't think you should leave a negative review, unless you think he didn't do anything to try to help. As you had a two week review, where adjustments are often made, I'm guessing it couldn't be altered much? Some side effects aren't always due to a fault with the injector, but they should always try to put it right if they can. You really can't complain about a bruise at the injection site, if that's what it is!

MaloneMeadow · 04/03/2024 15:05

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 04/03/2024 10:53

All these comments about dentists doing Botox 'as a side line for money ' makes me laugh,as opposed to doctors or nurses doing it for love /free?

At the minute Botox and medical aesthetics in general are well known to be the easy way to make a quick buck, just take one look at the amount of nurses graduating one minute and on an aesthetics course the next. Nothing wrong with charging for it and I never said that there was, it’s their work after all but unless it is their main practice then it is nothing more than a sideline. It’s the same case with any of the nurses/doctors doing it too. Personally I wouldn’t want somebody who just does a bit of Botox now and again near my face - I’ve seen the results of it on friends!

toomanyleggings · 04/03/2024 15:18

MaloneMeadow · 04/03/2024 15:05

At the minute Botox and medical aesthetics in general are well known to be the easy way to make a quick buck, just take one look at the amount of nurses graduating one minute and on an aesthetics course the next. Nothing wrong with charging for it and I never said that there was, it’s their work after all but unless it is their main practice then it is nothing more than a sideline. It’s the same case with any of the nurses/doctors doing it too. Personally I wouldn’t want somebody who just does a bit of Botox now and again near my face - I’ve seen the results of it on friends!

agree with this. I was an administrator when I was at uni for an aesthetics clinic. You paid double to get Botox with a consultant plastic surgeon who came in once every two weeks and even then would only have a couple of Botox clients. They were doing it nowhere near as much as the nurse practitioners who were treating ten + a day. Believe me none of the staff were clamouring for treatment from the consultants even though we only paid for the product. You need someone qualified and very experienced.

Adamsapple89 · 04/03/2024 15:29

Aesthetic nurse here, to make it wear off quicker you can place the back of an electric toothbrush on the side that’s dropped. The electric current stimulates the muscle and helps the Botox wear off quicker.

JubileeJumps · 04/03/2024 15:32

I can’t believe my Botox doctor screwed up my root canal. Then my dustman made me a rubbish pizza and my chef wouldn’t empty my bins.
It’s been a day!!

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