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My family/friends telling me to stay away from partner

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AliPineNeedles · 01/03/2024 11:08

My family and friends really dislike my partner. I met him in 2016 and we were together for 4 years. The pandemic hit us hard and we ended. He moved away, we didn't speak for almost three years until he came back to apologise. He's been in therapy, he's made life changes and is doing well. I ignored him at first but after some thought I replied. We spoke back and forth for three/four months until I agreed to meet. All my feelings came flooding back. We are long distance (due to him moving away) and are taking it slow. I believe he has changed. I saw a therapist when we broke up as I wasn't in a good place. He is 40 and I am 35. He was very emotionally unavailable throughout the relationship, but not a 'bad person', never aggressive but perhaps immature.

I didn't tell anyone else until we had been seeing one another for a while. And since I have the burden and pressure from them feels huge. My Mum (who I'm very close to) especially.

They think he 'emotionally abused' me in the past by pushing what he wanted, especially with regards having children. I had an accidental pregnancy two years in and he reacted badly saying he never wanted children. In hindsight I should have had that conversation with him sooner. He left me as I wanted to keep our baby, I had a miscarriage at 12 weeks (quite traumatic) and he came back. He now says he wants children and doesn't know why he reacted that way.

They didn't like how he made very little effort with my loved ones. Made excuses (and some white lies) to get out of seeing them. He didn't seem to prioritise me, sometimes he would even forget plans we had made. My friends also saw him speak quite badly to his Mum and sisters at times.

He was a very solo thinker, it took a long time to move in together and even then he seemed to be dreaming up buying houses in areas he wanted to live in that wouldn't have suited my life or my job. He would hide little bits about me, harmless things really.

He has apologised to me for all of the above. He said he was really scared and didn't want to commit, therapy has helped him with that and he's changed.
My Mum has told me clearly that if I am with him that she doesn't want him to be a part of their lives. He won't be invited for family events/Christmases etc. The time around the miscarriage really upset not just me, but my loved ones. They saw the multiple disappointments and upset ness and many of them think I am now being blind. I'm willing to give him a chance but the negativity surrounding it is becoming hard to stand. He says he will show them he has changed, but he also admits it causes him stress.

I just need someone outside perspective to wonder AIBU to give him a chance.

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BritneyBookClubPresident · 01/03/2024 20:55

EverybodyLTB · 01/03/2024 14:52

If he was shocked at being told it was emotional abuse then he is not safe, you must understand that. Because he’s saying that despite appalling behaviour, he does not/did not understand why you were getting quieter, and does not agree with it now. He’s manipulating you OP. I beg you to reconsider all of this, contact your therapist for an urgent appointment.

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TabsKane · 01/03/2024 21:43

He sounds like he has an avoidant personality

that he refuses to accept his behaviour was emotional abuse is worrying

read up about avoidants - they’re not good people to have relationships with. They’re awful people to have relationships with

think long and hard on this and read up

a good book is one called ‘Attached’

if you read it and find yourself thinking he has avoidant traits.. run

AliPineNeedles · 01/03/2024 22:31

Yes, avoidant personality 100%.

To be honest I thought anyone would deny abusive behaviour so it wasn't a surprise to me he said that.

I've been pretty anxious all day since posting this

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Remeniss · 01/03/2024 22:51

AliPineNeedles · 01/03/2024 20:16

Thank you for sending that @beetr00. I recognise neglect at the time, dismissing things like my career not being good enough or my friends not being people he had anything in common with. I'm not sure if this is a trait of it but he would leave/come back/leave/come back, saying he got cold feet. He would hot and cold me a lot. Would either show up happy and loving or be distracted on his phone all night.

Never anything like withdrawing me from loved ones or monitoring me.

I always thought 'abuse' was such a huge term. Used for very serious situations, not a boyfriend being emotionally unavailable or not putting me first.

This is the cycle of abuse.
treat you badly, disengage, come back with sorry and promises. Things settle for a while and then a build up of past behaviour and then a blow up and the cycle starts again.

imagine building a sandcastle on a bouncy castle.
this is what these relationships are like. You become so focused on trying to rebuild the castle every time it crumbles that you neglect to see he is the one purposefully jumping around to knock it down.

he makes you feel like crap and leaves you so empty and hollow that when he comes back with crumbs of affection and hope you want the bad feeling to go away so forgiveness.

he makes you feel worthless and then comes back with kind words.
it’s like him cutting open your arm and coming back with a Band-Aid to help you stop the bleeding.

clpsmum · 01/03/2024 22:54

Strugglingtodomybest · 01/03/2024 11:10

I'm sorry that you're going through a hard time. Have you considered that the way your mum has reacted is also emotionally abusive?

A mum not wanting her daughter to be hurt by a man who has already hurt her once is not emotionally abusive

AliPineNeedles · 01/03/2024 22:57

But am I then unreasonable to now end it after telling him I could forgive.

I care about him deeply and he's making all of these changes and plans.

I feel he would be heartbroken and I would hate to be the cause of his hurt (I know it's part of life)

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FirstTimeMum897 · 01/03/2024 22:59

YOU need a therapist. Only someone incredibly desperate, lonely and naive would consider going back together with a man like that.

Just bin him. Now.

Your family and friends are right.

HollyKnight · 01/03/2024 23:02

His hurt? Maybe he will learn that it is important to treat people right the first time, rather than hope to be forgiven at a later time. Which isn't something good people actually need to learn.

Remeniss · 01/03/2024 23:06

You can end a relationship any time you like. You are not duty bound to keep promises if your heart is not in it.

you need to make a decision that suits you and your future plans. Not his.

if he has changed he will accept responsibility that his past behaviour was too much for you to get past and respect your decision to move on with your life.

not everything that’s broken needs to be fixed.

TwylaSands · 01/03/2024 23:07

It sounds like you are over analysing an arsehole tbh. He brings nothing to the table.

ChimneySweepLiverpool · 01/03/2024 23:18

I have seen many women break their back (and hearts) trying to fix men. It's always a compromise for the woman.

You're romanticising a long life attachment as if it's something special but it's not. It's just heartbreak over and over again.

pikkumyy77 · 02/03/2024 02:13

AliPineNeedles · 01/03/2024 22:57

But am I then unreasonable to now end it after telling him I could forgive.

I care about him deeply and he's making all of these changes and plans.

I feel he would be heartbroken and I would hate to be the cause of his hurt (I know it's part of life)

Edited

Why must you be consistent and committed when he never was? You thought you might give it a go again but have changed your mind now that you have new data. That is the right thing to do, surely?

Also: he didn’t die of sadness before and he won’t die of it now. Don’t flatter yourself, and don’t delude yourself.

TealSapphire · 02/03/2024 05:08

No he had his chance and blew it.

End it and try not to waste a second more of your life falling for his bullshit. As is often said here 'block and move on'.

I'll add my personal favourite: 'love is not a feeling it's a behaviour'. His behaviour is appalling.

PBandJ111 · 02/03/2024 05:12

Jeez, seriously, wake up and smell the shit! You’re wasting your life on this man who doesn’t seem to have really changed.

Alwaystransforming · 02/03/2024 05:21

If he had actually worked on himself, worked to face up to his behaviour and really accepted his poor behaviour, he would admit that what he did was emotionally abusive.

He could face it, acknowledge it and change it. If he can’t acknowledge the full extent of his behaviour, he hasn’t changed. He hasn’t faced up to it.

The fact that you said you could forgive him doesn’t mean it’s not bad of you to end it. You can forgive him but you don’t have to be with him. You can’t mentally move on, forgive him but not be with him.

I think it’s unlikely you will break up with him. And I think he will move in with you and the behaviour will creep back in.

As regards to your family and friend, you can choose to have him in your life. You can choose to ‘move past it’ and want him in your life. That doesn’t mean they have to accept him. They saw this all play out. They saw the impact and they saw his behaviour from the outside. They saw you change, they saw you in pain, caused by him, the saw you in the aftermath and saw you heal. It was worse for you, but painful for them and you are walking back into it. They don’t need to be part of it.

They, clearly, saw more than just someone who was a bit of a crap boyfriend. They believe this man is back only because you now have things that you didn’t have before. They think he is the sort of man who would destroy someone, then later try to use them to their own advantage. And they are looking at it with the rose tinted glasses you have on. Everyone who love you saw him for what he was. They don’t have to pretend he isn’t that person. And they don’t have to have anything to do with him. That’s your choice for you.

you are close to your mum. You have a good relationship. Do you really think she would tell you this if she didn’t really think he was an awful person?

HomeTheatreSystem · 02/03/2024 06:06

He knows you and wants to try out his newly therapised self on you. I think if he'd truly seen the error of his ways, he'd appreciate the pain the pain he put you through and wouldn't want to open old wounds. Listen hard to your mum.

user1492757084 · 02/03/2024 06:52

What is SO great about this guy that you can not see the problem you are getting into?
Is he charismatic?
Is he rich?
At 35, you have limited years left to have a family and find a lovely committed family man who wants similar to you.

Your family know this and do not want you wasting your time, once again, on this man who turns your head but hurts you.
I would call it quits.

If you get back with him, give him only three months and run at the first sign of any of the old behaviour though I doubt you will be able to. He has conditioned you to lose any sense of self respect and self preservation. You speak about how your decision will effect him. Think of yourself. .

lifebeginsaftercoffee · 02/03/2024 07:01

Oh, OP. This man is a nasty piece of work.

You need to cut ties with him and get yourself into therapy. He's not a nice person.

The fact that he has some good friends and is a godparent to their children means absolutely fuck all.

Rainyday4321 · 02/03/2024 07:06

I am obviously in the minority here but what you’ve described sounds like a crap boyfriend. I am not sure that trying to decide whether it qualifies as abuse helps- and for what it’s worth it doesn’t sound abusive to me.

if he is remorseful about the past and accepts that what he did was crap and is not acceptable going forward and you are consistently seeing through his actions that things have changed then I would crack on. I wouldn’t get hung up on abuse or not.

If you’ve had enough conversations you need to get into ‘that was then, this is now’ not rehash the past indefinitely.

If he slips up now majorly in the now then you end it.

Alwaystransforming · 02/03/2024 07:09

Rainyday4321 · 02/03/2024 07:06

I am obviously in the minority here but what you’ve described sounds like a crap boyfriend. I am not sure that trying to decide whether it qualifies as abuse helps- and for what it’s worth it doesn’t sound abusive to me.

if he is remorseful about the past and accepts that what he did was crap and is not acceptable going forward and you are consistently seeing through his actions that things have changed then I would crack on. I wouldn’t get hung up on abuse or not.

If you’ve had enough conversations you need to get into ‘that was then, this is now’ not rehash the past indefinitely.

If he slips up now majorly in the now then you end it.

Wether a partners behaviour is just occasional poor or abusive is definitely something people should get hung up on.

Zanatdy · 02/03/2024 07:11

It’s your life and my mum is exactly the same in that she gets herself involved and makes it about her. I think it’s really unreasonable to make you make choices like that. She could give her opinion without making it an ultimatum. It’s your life to live, it does sound like you’d be better off without him, but people can change, but also words are cheap and old habits die hard. I stopped sharing things with my mum in the end, I’d never tell her when my ex and I had had arguments etc, even now I am very careful what I say to her.

NewDogOwner · 02/03/2024 07:24

He left you when you were pregnant. He has shown you who he is.

lifebeginsaftercoffee · 02/03/2024 07:27

if he is remorseful about the past and accepts that what he did was crap and is not acceptable going forward and you are consistently seeing through his actions that things have changed then I would crack on. I wouldn’t get hung up on abuse or not.

Bloody hell - if abuse isn't something to get "hung up on" then what is? 😬

Dwrcegin · 02/03/2024 07:29

I care about him deeply

Care deeply about yourself. Put you first.

See a therapist, value yourself and listen to your Mam.

JMSA · 02/03/2024 07:32

You do know that there are many other men out there?
Don't land yourself with this one.