To think men just hate women?

[Justsomethoughts]

The more I think about it, the more I conclude that men must despise us. I think the news today about Wayne Couzens has got me pondering… My thoughts as follows:

Ive read so many threads on here about how little men contribute to household work.
Women are expected to do 99% of housework and childcare whilst sucking it up and looking pretty. This percentage doesn’t seem to change much if they also work. God forbid women complain (I refuse to use the word nag, a word only used by men when talking about women!) as they asked for a family and should be grateful they have a husband and children.

We should look visually appealing/maintain our appearance for as long as possible but not too much - that would be ‘asking for it’. If we don’t we will probably be replaced by a younger/more attractive model.

We can’t walk alone at night as we are at risk of harm (by men).

A very large proportion of female homicides are committed by males living with the victim

The list goes on and on. I know these aren’t brand new facts and obviously ‘not all men’ before people come for me but my god it’s so depressing when you think about it.

I can’t see what was rude about that post? YouTube channels are something you pick and choose so what you watch is very much tailored to your choices.

I realised my ex didn’t really like women and that was a blow. My dad and my uncle though were not at all women haters, they were very respectful and decent.

Unfortunately no matter how many good men there are out there it’s the bad ones that blight women’s lives. From the patronising ‘Smile luv’ to outright violence I honestly don’t understand why there is this deep hatred (they can’t all have had awful mothers). I’m sure there must have been studies on it.

Right, OP.
Another "unpopular" opinion here.
You are right exactly 💯 percent. Sometimes this hate starts as early as with fathers.
That's why I married a man three decades older, remained child free and when I'm on my own,
I'll be grieving, but also immensely relieved not to have anything to do with them ever again.
Full stop.😊

I have sons (young adult) who I love dearly and hope they don’t become women haters. I’ve given them no reason to but I can’t control outside forces. Once I finished with my ex (a covert woman hater) I was done with men (in a relationship context) and I love it. I’m not a man hater, I love them, I just don’t like toxic men.

It wasn't my intention to not let anyone speak or block a conversation, quite the opposite, I just wanted to add another voice to it.

I can't argue against any of the points you raise there without my argument being boiled down to "not all men...", as it was earlier in the thread, which isn't really going anywhere.

I suppose in just the same way I can say not all men are like that I could also say I can't speak for all men.

I do think it's sad that women see hatred in and from men in society, and that's something that men have to put right.

Men are about 6 times more likely to be killed by a stranger, by the way.]

Ye-es….by other men

These threads always go the same way. Namalt etc.

I think some just don’t “get it”, or don’t want to. Yanbu OP.

I love my ds’s and think they’re nice young men however even they are already watching porn etc. I can’t protect them from the toxic masculinity other males tell them is the norm and perfectly acceptable.

I think if it was an obvious sort of hatred then yes they would have killed us off (and so the human race too!!)
the type of hatred I’m talking about is often more covert (obviously I don’t mean in the case of the extreme examples discussed eg rape/murder)
Many PPs above have articulated it very well I think.

I have to agree that in my experience, there is definitely a low level contempt for women by men, and an assumption that women are the support humans for men. My dad is a case in point; he gets angry & bewildered that I and my sisters aren't running around after him. He's 91, in good health for his age, and my mum ( died a few years back) married him at 19, he was 25 at the time, and he's been spoilt all his life. His favourite refrain is "I've got 3 daughters, I shouldn't have to worry!" Unfortunately for him, we have long memories. Misogyny is ingrained in my older family and in society. I notice my friends deferring to men and prioritising them; as I've got older I've noticed it more and questioned it. I do wonder if things will change in my lifetime, as at the minute it seems like we're going backwards in terms of equality and women's safety.

I do not think that all men hate women.

But your argument is stilly really shitty. I am fairly certain that you already know that.

In case you don’t:

it’s perfectly possible to love one’s mother (daughters, sisters etc.) but rape, murder and hate other women.
It’s also possible to love one’s mother but have less obviously hateful feelings towards women in general.

just like a racist may believe that his black (insert other race or ethnicity) gardener (doctor, hairdresser etc.) is one of the “good ones”. That racist may however still have incredibly hateful views about black people in general.

I expect they'll continue to be posted until men stop their overt or covert hatred or contempt for women, and the men who claim to be the "good guys" call other men out on it every single time.

My dad definitely didn't hate me or my mum. Best human being in the world. My DP does far more house work than I do and doesn't judge me for any of my neuroses. I have a really supportive male boss who lets me work my own hours.

So no I don't think men hate women. But I do think that women who grow up with absent or negligent/abusive fathers are more likely to be attracted to similar as it's all they know and expect. So it can affect the general perception of men as a whole. And then psychologically it's easier to look for data points that prove your own beliefs. So the focus on Wayne Couzens instead of the male police officers who work tirelessly to take down sex traffickers and rescue the women or go without sleep for 3 days to catch a rapist.

I guess maybe if women start recognising their attraction to rubbish men and stop procreating with them, future generations of women will either start from a blank slate of no dad or a good dad.

The way to put it right though isn't to respond to a woman raising a complex and serious question by dropping two lines telling her she's wrong. No empathy, no indication she has been heard, no exploration of her views, no reflection as to how she has come to her conclusions, no considered alternative argument. Doesn't apply to me so you're wrong. Dismissal and closure. While that doesn't indicate hatred, it does demonstrate the same lack of respect, unwillingness to listen and assumption of superiority that is at the heart of misogyny.

Totally agree. How rude of that woman to say a man's comment isn't wanted.
I know lots of men who are decent and kind. I know a few women who show utter contempt for other women too. Takes all sorts.

I hate men, don’t trust them, don’t value them, don’t enjoy their company (though tragically I do enjoy having sex with one of them). Increasingly I disregard the men I have dealings with. I’m so glad I don’t have sons.

i don’t want equality. I want reparations.

So it's the women's fault. Fucking hell.

To be honest I don’t like men. Never used to be this way, but the longer you live your life the more experience you gain, and that’s where it comes from. People were not born hating men, men destroy their lives and then the taint goes to all men naturally I think. Even if there decent I’d rather not have anything to do with them, because even if they are good, and some men are, they have the power, the ability to destroy a woman’s life and take everything.

Yes, I think we are going backwards. In the past there was more open acceptance of women being possessions so even if that was in a defending your girlfriend, wife, protecting your wife. That is often now held up as sexist and I think as that is not openly the case, some men think, "job done now, level playing field". However, it seems now that there is loads of commentary on challenging that, almost fighting talk against women, there are many professional men commentators on this which seems to add legitimacy to these feelings that their disciples have

I think HATE is the wrong word. My grandad, dad, uncles and sons absolutely did not hate women, however, I have brought my son up to respect all women, and especially his partner. I have wasted no breath on informing him how many relationships break down because of lack of domestic contribution on the man's part. As women, we need to educate and contribute respect and emotional intelligence to our son's upbringing, from day one.

Of course! Re your last OP, they would behave like f*ing animals (some still do), if societal rules and crime punishments weren't in place.

That is a very good way to put it.

Just read about an anti abortion men’s group that was allowed to form at Manchester university.

the internet has emboldened the idiots and given them a village.

You are teaching that the Bible is the first text?

You can't tar the whole lot of them with the same brush, they are as different from each other as women are from each other.
I think the worst of men seem to get all the press and attention sadly. I know a lot of good men, and they pull their weight.

I believe most of these responses suggest experience, my young friend....😂