To think men just hate women?

[Justsomethoughts]

The more I think about it, the more I conclude that men must despise us. I think the news today about Wayne Couzens has got me pondering… My thoughts as follows:

Ive read so many threads on here about how little men contribute to household work.
Women are expected to do 99% of housework and childcare whilst sucking it up and looking pretty. This percentage doesn’t seem to change much if they also work. God forbid women complain (I refuse to use the word nag, a word only used by men when talking about women!) as they asked for a family and should be grateful they have a husband and children.

We should look visually appealing/maintain our appearance for as long as possible but not too much - that would be ‘asking for it’. If we don’t we will probably be replaced by a younger/more attractive model.

We can’t walk alone at night as we are at risk of harm (by men).

A very large proportion of female homicides are committed by males living with the victim

The list goes on and on. I know these aren’t brand new facts and obviously ‘not all men’ before people come for me but my god it’s so depressing when you think about it.

I think a lot of men don't really register women as people. Centuries ago, they thought we didn't have souls and there is a legacy of that attitude today. We are trained from childhood to put others first, and as a consequence are skilled in anticipating and accommodating the needs of others. Men aren;t and they often don't or can't.

I have for a long time wished that part of the antenatal classes included a really thorough explanation to men of why life will change. If they had just produced something the size of a watermelon from their jacksies, had a few stitches and then same day jumped into a new job, unpaid, 24/7, with frequent broken sleep, no manual instructions except a screeching siren if you are doing it wrong, no co-workers, on which someone's life depended with whom they could not communicate verbally because that person doesn't speak, they too might feel a bit overwhelmed, let the housework slip, not want a shag, be desperate for a break, just for an hour, just to attend to basic needs like showering or going to the loo. But they're not told to imagine that and they mooch off gloomily looking for a shag elsewhere because their wives don't understand them.

I don’t think all men hate women. I do think that 99% of men don’t really want women to have equality and think of women as inferior beings.

I think a lot of men do not see women as complete humans. It's like men = human, woman = not as good / substandard man.

I do think it's sad that women see hatred in and from men in society, and that's something that men have to put right.

We don't see it, we feel it, we experience it, we know it.

And it is not just what you might think is the 'nasty' stuff.

Girls are often seated next to disruptive boys at school in an effort to stop the boy's disruption. It is not a girl's job to do that.

Men need to stop congratulating themselves for not being as bad as other men and thinking that they are 'good' because of it.

Was it celebrity Big Brother that had one of the men talking about being in a position with a vulnerable woman he could have, "done anything to" but didn't and the other men acted like he deserved a medal.

I don't think most hate us, but I'm in total agreement with PPs of most feeling contempt towards us. They are utterly unaware of their level of feeling of entitlement to our bodies, our labour and our space, whilst seeing our views and needs as trivial.
I didn't used to feel this way but, like many PPs, the older I get, the more I experience, see and hear. In my younger days I had more male friends than female, and I work in a very male-dominated industry. It is rife. Of the men around me throughout my life, there is left the grand number of 1 who hasn't shown themselves to treat or view women with complete disdain at least once in some major way. Usually this isn't just witnessed by hearing them say something generally unpalatable, but said, done and directed towards the woman/women in their life they supposedly love - many of these are men who would be described as 'one of the good ones'. There are still men around me, but increasingly fewer thankfully and I would not welcome any more.

Men feel entitled to women - the whole incel thing is based on men feeling that they are being denied their right to a wife/ sexual partner by horrible modern women who don’t want them.

Women who haven’t found someone or aren’t deemed attractive by society don’t blame men - they’re usually taught to blame themselves.

Yes, threads are conclusive. Who cares about the stats about male violence?

Sadly I think a lot of men consider women as an inferior subspecies of human i.e. not really proper humans at all. For some men it's obvious in terms of contempt, hatred and abuse. Many others it's more subtle. They "like" and "respect" women as long as they know their place in the pecking order. The pecking order involves playing second fiddle to the man, servicing him domestically and sexually and aesthetically.

I don't hate men by the way. I am married to a good one and I have an adult son who is a good sort too, but even they need pulling up on their subconscious biases sometimes (and I admit sometimes I do too).

Yes many men do hate women when they step out of the role they believe women should follow

lost count of the times a man has shown aggression as I have not acted or responded in a way he expected

oddly never had this from a woman

Was that in the same celebrity big brother a female contestant falsely accused a male of punching her?

I think a lot of men don't actually like women. The one's that do, and are happy in female company really stand out.
I have a friend who's my age (60+), who I've known for 40 years. He would describe himself as a feminist, even wore one of those 'this is what a feminist looks like' when they were a thing, but has never since I've known him, been out with a woman over 30...and there has been a pretty long line. Last year he married a 30 year old.
He likes women that he can explain things to, all the while feeling quietly superior.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/feb/29/i-am-weary-jess-phillips-reads-mps-list-of-women-killed-by-men-for-ninth-year

https://news.sky.com/video/labour-mp-jess-phillips-has-read-the-list-of-women-killed-in-the-past-year-for-the-ninth-year-in-a-row-13084110

The professional male commentators that have an opinion on every aspect of life but particularly women, what they are crap at, how they don't know what they really want, how they should look- I watched one blabbering on about how it's not good for women to be clinically obese but neither do we want them to be anorexic, then another expressing concern over women who regret not having babies as they did not meet a man, he was heartbroken for them is he really or is he wondering why things can't go back to how they were - women know your place. It does feel like an anger brewing about their displacement and almost like, 'women, if you want a war you can fucking have one'

Who are “professional male commentators” ?

I'm not going to name them as I wouldn't want any backlash.

Is this an answer the question you quoted - “are a large proportion of men murdering women” ?

Was it the same one where someone ate chicken?

I don't see what your point is.

”You wouldn’t know them, they go to a different school” ?

Another day, another gross generalisation post about how all men hate all women. Ah, I love it on here.

Sorry, I don't understand the reference.

If men as a class liked women, this sort of shit wouldn't be happening. They're laughing at us now.

https://twitter.com/ReduxxMag/status/1707022041814044885

A significant amount of men are harming women

that should not be ignored or dismissed

When boys are denied ducation, as girls are in much of the world, is the day I will listen to all this claptrap about not judging by MN threads. MN threads are not the world! I read the OP as taking about the patriarchy worldwide, not in a tiny corner of the world where men are called Nigel and do 50%housework.

No I don't think men hate women

*Education

Oh are you being doubtful? If so, no, I genuinely would not want to state any names as I wouldn't want it being on the Internet.