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Just told DH I will divorce him over a fucking wedding

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KeenHiker · 29/02/2024 13:55

This is my first post. I think my head’s going to explode.
BiL has shown no interest whatsoever in my daughters, not my eldest who isn’t my husband’s or his actual niece!
We first met SiL at a baptism of cousin’s. She brought personalised Easter eggs for cousins’ kids and my youngest. I immediately went over and said my eldest would be jealous in a jokey way but she had no idea that my eldest even existed!
Three years on neither kids have been distinguished by them at all.
Husband is close to his brother.
One Sunday last month we are at in-laws’ and eldest said that SiL had taken youngest out in rain and told eldest to give them a minute. When I went out to see what was happening she had just asked youngest to be a flower girl. MiL knew and everyone was happy. 10 year old was really struggling and burst into tears in car.
Sister-in-Law has a sister with three stepkids. Two lads virtually same age as her, both have partners and one has baby, as well as fourteen year old who lives with them. Her own daughter will be other flower girl.
invitations come but my eldest isn’t invited. DH is best man, he assumes she is invited but just not on invitation. Clarifies! No! It would mean 5 others plus baby would have to be invited.
I went mad and said none of us are going or I am off. All he could do was slag my ex off and this was the thanks he got for stepping up.
He has stepped up. You wouldn’t know she wasn’t his but this is too much. If eldest is invited I could see how they would have to invite the 14 year old step niece but not the two eldest step nephews who are independent.
I did ring MiL but she’s not getting involved. I am fucking fuming.

OP posts:
WaitingForMojo · 03/03/2024 13:49

Alwaystransforming · 03/03/2024 13:48

But that’s not a decision for just Op.

Her dh gets a say as well.

He does, obviously. And it’s his decision that has shocked and hurt OP. Understandably.

DisneySeaCruise · 03/03/2024 13:51

2Hot2Handle · 03/03/2024 13:39

Are you only a member of the family if related by blood then? Would she not be equal if OP and DH had adopted her together, then had the younger DD by getting pregnant?

She’s not adopted though and it’s not comparable. They didn’t both make a decision to go and adopt her together. OP eldest has a father but he’s shit and she wants DH and his family to make up for it.

MississippiAF · 03/03/2024 13:51

2Hot2Handle · 03/03/2024 13:39

Are you only a member of the family if related by blood then? Would she not be equal if OP and DH had adopted her together, then had the younger DD by getting pregnant?

Yes, she’d be equal if she had been adopted.

She isn’t adopted.

Equating blended families with adoption is crass, IMO

Nanny0gg · 03/03/2024 13:52

KeenHiker · 03/03/2024 09:32

Eldest is now invited but much to my husband’s anger I’m still not going.

I have attempted to attach screenshot of SiL’s long message but the scrubbing out of names probably makes it confusing.

Re: youngest being asked to be flower girl. Husband knew she was going to be asked beforehand and thought it would be a nice surprise.
He didn’t think eldest would be jealous of this.

When invitations arrived I asked him to clarify re: eldest not grovel for invitation.

He was completely shocked that eldest wasn’t invited at all.

I wanted us all to decline NOT ask for her to be given an invitation.

MiL did speak to them in spite of telling me she wouldn’t.

He has told them of our rowing, doesn’t seem to have stressed how upset he was about her exclusion, and cousin was clearly present when this conversation took place.

SiL sent a WhatsApp to me yesterday afternoon. I don’t feel that it conveys the hurt I feel.

I never said that wedding was child free as I didn’t know, some people assumed but clearly cousins’ kids are invited. Initially it was said that stepkids on SiL’s side would have to be invited, she hasn’t mentioned them at all in her message.

She mentioned my eldest by name just once. Husband has 94 year old grandmother and it’s clear eldest would have been excluded from photo with her and grand kids and great grandchildren.

Eldest doesn’t know she hasn’t been invited.

I won’t take her to Disney or anything as that would imply that not going to wedding needs some sort of compensation. We will go to my brother’s to walk the dog on the beach and eldest’s idea of fun is to sleep on sofa bed in his kitchen!

I'm torn here.

I think what she has offered is an olive branch

Is it worth carrying it on?

It's your DH that's got it wrong, really

InterIgnis · 03/03/2024 13:53

WaitingForMojo · 03/03/2024 13:47

This is the problem. I strongly disagree with you, and no, op can’t make them see her eldest as family, I think the issue is that the DH is allowing different treatment.

It’s seriously not ok to separate out a ten year old from a photo that’s only for ‘the real grandchildren’. I would personally tell them both DC in the photo or neither.

Lol, ‘it’s not okay’ - I didn’t realise you were the authority on that one. You can strongly disagree all you like, all the foot-stomping and calling them dicks in the world isn’t going to change the reality of this for OP. It doesn’t matter what anyone else would define family as, these specific people do not consider her a grandchild or niece, and their position really isn’t an unusual one when it come to blended families. She is OP’s daughter, family in the same way that OP is, and she along with OP would cease to be their family should a divorce happen.

When it comes to the youngest OP is an equal parent with her DH. She doesn’t get to unilaterally decide what relationship the youngest daughter gets to have with her paternal family (and she shouldn’t be denied one either! Is that the equality we’re going for? One doesn’t have a relationship with hers so neither will be allowed to?).

DisneySeaCruise · 03/03/2024 13:53

WaitingForMojo · 03/03/2024 13:43

This is the problem. OP has discovered that this is how DH’s family see things, and that is hurtful.

What makes someone family then? Genetics? An adoption certificate?

OP’s dh is raising both children as his, which I maintain is very different from some blended families.

She may feel hurt but that’s something she needs to deal with herself. She had a child with someone else and bringing her eldest into another family doesn’t mean they were going to treat her exactly like any biological grandchildren.

Yes to some families genetics do matter and there is nothing wrong with that.

Adoption isn’t comparable to this either.

Nanny0gg · 03/03/2024 13:54

MississippiAF · 03/03/2024 13:51

Yes, she’d be equal if she had been adopted.

She isn’t adopted.

Equating blended families with adoption is crass, IMO

Why? When the child really only has one family

Alwaystransforming · 03/03/2024 13:54

WaitingForMojo · 03/03/2024 13:49

He does, obviously. And it’s his decision that has shocked and hurt OP. Understandably.

I get that. But that’s an issue between her and her dh. Not the family, who have done as she asked. She wasn’t happy the oldest wasn’t going to be a bridesmaid but accepted it. It was the no invitation that enraged her. The sil has tried her best to resolve it and op now has an invitation for the eldest. The mil got involved like op wanted. Now op won’t accept she isn’t a bridesmaid. Even though she did before.

As I said, it clear op gets more of a say in what happens with the oldest. So she doesn’t see him as a completely equal parent. That could contribute to this. I think couples counselling might be better than jumping to divorce over someone else’s wedding

But op believing that they all must think like her, isn’t helpful. They did as she asked. She can’t force them to think like she does. Because there are differences.

DisneySeaCruise · 03/03/2024 13:55

Nanny0gg · 03/03/2024 13:54

Why? When the child really only has one family

her DH family don’t have to rectify that and they shouldn’t be expected to.

Nanny0gg · 03/03/2024 13:57

KeenHiker · 03/03/2024 10:57

Ah Jesus I can’t think straight! I don’t know what to do.

I honestly think you should go now.

Plaster on a smile and go all out

But you really need (perhaps a counsellor) to get you and your husband to understand why this is such a big deal and what he (and you) can do to navigate it going forward

Nanny0gg · 03/03/2024 13:58

DisneySeaCruise · 03/03/2024 13:55

her DH family don’t have to rectify that and they shouldn’t be expected to.

Edited

I suppose I can only think what I would do and that's treat them as family

As a friend who's in a similar position has done.

It's just (imo) the right thing to do

Pomegranatecarnage · 03/03/2024 13:58

Inviting three people out of a family of four, and excluding a ten year old is cruel, even if the wedding is child-free. What did they expect your ten year old to do? She can hardly stay home in her own. So, if your youngest really wants to be a flower girl, I’d let her go with your husband, and not have anything more to do with BIL/SIL.

WaitingForMojo · 03/03/2024 13:59

InterIgnis · 03/03/2024 13:53

Lol, ‘it’s not okay’ - I didn’t realise you were the authority on that one. You can strongly disagree all you like, all the foot-stomping and calling them dicks in the world isn’t going to change the reality of this for OP. It doesn’t matter what anyone else would define family as, these specific people do not consider her a grandchild or niece, and their position really isn’t an unusual one when it come to blended families. She is OP’s daughter, family in the same way that OP is, and she along with OP would cease to be their family should a divorce happen.

When it comes to the youngest OP is an equal parent with her DH. She doesn’t get to unilaterally decide what relationship the youngest daughter gets to have with her paternal family (and she shouldn’t be denied one either! Is that the equality we’re going for? One doesn’t have a relationship with hers so neither will be allowed to?).

‘Lol ok’ - you feel that it is fine to remove a ten year old from a family photo which her cousins and sibling are included in, a photo of people she considers her family, and say ‘you’re not in this photo because you’re not really our proper family’. Ok then. That sounds lovely.

The equality is more ‘we are a family. You get all of us or none of us’. It absolutely is the DH’s stance that is the issue here.

QuillBill · 03/03/2024 14:00

Inviting three people out of a family of four, and excluding a ten year old is cruel, even if the wedding is child-free. What did they expect your ten year old to do? She can hardly stay home in her own

I agree. What were they thinking?

MississippiAF · 03/03/2024 14:00

Nanny0gg · 03/03/2024 13:54

Why? When the child really only has one family

The fact she doesn’t see her DF’s family, doesn’t change anything at all. That’s the point people keep making. It doesn’t make her MORE a part of DH’s family.

IsthisthereallifeIsthisjustfantasy · 03/03/2024 14:01

"could not have envisaged" I think they probably could have envisaged not inviting your daughter would cause upset, to be honest.

But she really is trying to meet you half way here and trying to make peace. I think you should all go given the update.

InterIgnis · 03/03/2024 14:05

WaitingForMojo · 03/03/2024 13:59

‘Lol ok’ - you feel that it is fine to remove a ten year old from a family photo which her cousins and sibling are included in, a photo of people she considers her family, and say ‘you’re not in this photo because you’re not really our proper family’. Ok then. That sounds lovely.

The equality is more ‘we are a family. You get all of us or none of us’. It absolutely is the DH’s stance that is the issue here.

It isn’t a problem with the people actually organizing it, or indeed the person it’s for. I don’t see the problem either 🤷🏻‍♀️ I’m aware that she disagree, so I see no point going round in the circles to continue to disagree.

if OP wants to make an issue of it she is free to, but she’s still not going to get what she wants. Her youngest daughter is still going to have an involved father and paternal family whether she’s with him or not. Her eldest daughter still won’t.

She can’t control what anyone else thinks and feels, no matter how much she may want to.

2Hot2Handle · 03/03/2024 14:05

MississippiAF · 03/03/2024 14:00

The fact she doesn’t see her DF’s family, doesn’t change anything at all. That’s the point people keep making. It doesn’t make her MORE a part of DH’s family.

Why do you think it is crass?

2Hot2Handle · 03/03/2024 14:20

Namenamchange · 03/03/2024 13:40

@2Hot2Handle

I have 2 SC and 1 biological DS. I treat them all the same and so do my family. Both DSC were included in my brother’s wedding and it wouldn’t have occurred to him to treat them any differently.

do your families and your wills reflect this?

I was waiting for that question to come up. My parents’ wills leave everything to my brother and I. My will and my DH’s leaves everything to my DSS, DSD and my DS.

I should imagine that my brother’s will leaves everything to his own kids.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 03/03/2024 14:22

The bride is really nice and is making an effort. Go to the wedding, take your older daughter and build a relationship with the bride.

SaladIsShitAndWeAllKnowIt · 03/03/2024 14:43

NamingConundrum · 03/03/2024 11:52

I mean some of this may be factually incorrect, and probably someone who could phrase this much better, but maybe you could have a word with SIL? Explain the situation more, you appreciate the olive branch and you're aware its not her problem but you'd like to find a way of doing this without upsetting oldest.

"Hi SIL, thank you for your text, I appreciate you reaching out and trying to alleviate some upset. I don't know if you're aware of this, but 'eldest' doesn't have any contact with her biological fathers family. 'DH' has been in her life since she was (I'm guessing around 3?) and has always told her he loves her just the same as 'youngest'. She calls him dad. I appreciate you never wanted to cause any upset, but 'eldest' didn't understand why she was being treated differently when her dad has always told her she is loved equally. This is why she was so upset when 'youngest' was asked to be flower girl, and I know she would be absolutely devastated to be told she wasn't invited either. I think she will be very upset by the great-grandma picture for the same reason. If you would like eldest not to be in the picture, can you please give me a heads up just before the kids are called so I can take eldest to the bathroom or something to remove her from the situation? I know this must be stressful for you, but I'm trying to manage doing whats right for both of my children."

I think this is pretty good. Just explain calmly.

WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 03/03/2024 14:54

Nanny0gg · 03/03/2024 13:54

Why? When the child really only has one family

No, like the youngest she has two parents. Bio mum and bio dad. Bio dad can't be arsed and bio gran (who frankly needs to grow the fuck up, and this is where OP needs to focus) who cries all the time if she sees the child.

OP just accepts that, as a "well, I can't do anything about it". Which is a complete double standards when she wants to be furious at a man raising this unrelated child with her and a non related family who by her own admission treat the child nicely. After having a tantrum about her unrelated child not being treated the way she wants (by neither of the actual parents but unrelated people!!) the non related family have even adjusted things according to OPs insistance that they must become "surrogate" family, with the unbelievable justification "well, her real paternal family aren't involved, so damn right." The gall of it.

If the real family are "allowed" to do nothing according to OP, then it's a complete pisstake to act this was towards an unrelated family.

Pookerrod · 03/03/2024 15:10

KeenHiker · 03/03/2024 10:57

Ah Jesus I can’t think straight! I don’t know what to do.

Your soon to be SIL has realised she’s fucked up and is trying to make amends. You need to be gracious, recognise that and attend the wedding as a family.

A wedding is not the place to take a stand. It will cause a rift that will be difficult to overcome in future.

You we’re completely right to feel how you felt at the start of this thread. Don’t turn yourself into the bad guy here.

You have fired a shot across the bow, everyone in the family now understands how you feel and hopefully you’ll never be made to feel like this again and the family will be more sensitive going forward. But they won’t if you and your eldest don’t turn up to this wedding.

Winterstormm · 03/03/2024 15:12

2Hot2Handle · 03/03/2024 13:39

Are you only a member of the family if related by blood then? Would she not be equal if OP and DH had adopted her together, then had the younger DD by getting pregnant?

DH would have parental responsibility if he adopted a child, just as he would for a biological child. OP is considering divorcing her husband and if she does, he won't have the right to see his step daughter. Did op mention if her side of the family are involved in her dds' lives?

Terfarina · 03/03/2024 15:17

I understand why you are still upset. I think SiL's message is a good olive branch and she and MiL are clearly trying but simply don't get that in your family the two children come as a package.

As your husband has effectively been your elder daughter's father since she was tiny then of course she wont see herself as different.

I think the problem has to be down to your husband and how he has communicated about your family to his. Your elder daughter wont inherit from him - he clearly sees her as different and that will impact on the way that they treat her.

In my family husband and I had a son a piece then met and had a daughter. Each set of our parents asked us when we got married how we viewed our family and we made it clear that the three are all children of our family and are to be treated equally. 15 years on, this is how it has always been.

I am sure that my family's love for my son is deeper and husband's family's is for his son, but this is never communicated to them at all and they are all treated as if all three had the same parents.

I think you should wait a couple of days before responding to give yourself time to get over the upset then I think the right thing to do is to attend as a family.

Once things have calmed down, you need a sensible conversation with your husband about how each of you feel and how your family will work moving forwards. If you don't get this sorted now your elder's teen years could be extra challenging, you need to be a united team with common understandings of roles and family dynamic

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