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So where is she?!

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Amillionmenwenttomowameadow · 29/02/2024 13:32

Princess Kate?

Internet is going nuts about it, the theories are insane.

Hope she’s ok

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Newchapterbeckons · 01/03/2024 13:36

ColleenDonaghy · 01/03/2024 13:33

It was planned before the time off and rescheduled. He's also been at an investiture and the BAFTAs.

Look I'm not going to argue for a second that their job is necessary or important or anything like that, but he's clearly back doing it.

It's long been known that they do the school run etc whenever possible so it's not unreasonable for him to have taken some time when she was in hospital to cover that and keep things normal for the kids, it's what most of us would do if we could (although of course many can't).

He missed one personal engagement and hasn't pulled out of any work engagements that we know of.

He has a team of nannies that usually do the school run… are you seriously telling me we are paying close to a £100 million for our future king to do the school run whilst the actual king is out of action with cancer??? His wife apparently flicking through magazines whilst recovering and also out of action.

Seriously

Pull the other one!!!

Newchapterbeckons · 01/03/2024 13:38

TokyoSushi · 01/03/2024 13:34

KP released an insta of 'all the things William has been up to in February' by my reckoning, he's worked a couple of hours a day, for about 4/5 days! One thing was a dinner, the other was the BAFTAS!

I don't buy into the theory that all isn't well with Kate, but really with all the resources they have, William should be pulling his finger out!

Yes!!

The King himself has cancer and he is properly out of action!! You would think Willy would bloody well step up!!

The wheels have well and truly come off the royal family. What are we paying for exactly???!!!

Quizine · 01/03/2024 13:42

I've often wondered if every single engagement by the immediate gang is necessary at all.

The only person who needs to do anything is the King, as Head of State. That's it.

The rest of them appear to attend every ribbon cutting and this and that in order to keep their profiles up to date. And yes, I realise that their patronage of certain things are a great help to the charities they support, but do they necessarily need to be there in person?

I can't see why the BAFTAs are a must attend gig for the future king, who has no role as HOS, and even if he does as proxy for his father now, what have the BAFTAs got to do with it, that other events don't?

The King and the stand in are all that are needed. They are HOS and need only to do "State" things I think. But I'm sure there are others who think otherwise.

Newchapterbeckons · 01/03/2024 13:46

Quizine · 01/03/2024 13:42

I've often wondered if every single engagement by the immediate gang is necessary at all.

The only person who needs to do anything is the King, as Head of State. That's it.

The rest of them appear to attend every ribbon cutting and this and that in order to keep their profiles up to date. And yes, I realise that their patronage of certain things are a great help to the charities they support, but do they necessarily need to be there in person?

I can't see why the BAFTAs are a must attend gig for the future king, who has no role as HOS, and even if he does as proxy for his father now, what have the BAFTAs got to do with it, that other events don't?

The King and the stand in are all that are needed. They are HOS and need only to do "State" things I think. But I'm sure there are others who think otherwise.

I agree. We are spending far too much money on minutiae. Let’s slash the budget spend it on hospitals and then Wills can make his own money until he is king.

ColleenDonaghy · 01/03/2024 13:51

Quizine · 01/03/2024 13:42

I've often wondered if every single engagement by the immediate gang is necessary at all.

The only person who needs to do anything is the King, as Head of State. That's it.

The rest of them appear to attend every ribbon cutting and this and that in order to keep their profiles up to date. And yes, I realise that their patronage of certain things are a great help to the charities they support, but do they necessarily need to be there in person?

I can't see why the BAFTAs are a must attend gig for the future king, who has no role as HOS, and even if he does as proxy for his father now, what have the BAFTAs got to do with it, that other events don't?

The King and the stand in are all that are needed. They are HOS and need only to do "State" things I think. But I'm sure there are others who think otherwise.

Completely agree they're an unnecessary shower.

He attends the Baftas as he's the president of BAFTA. Just like they all attend various rugby games because of their roles with the rugbby unions.

KenAdams · 01/03/2024 13:56

I was convinced it was bowel surgery with a temporary stoma (you don't know you're having a stoma until you come out of theatre with one in some cases).

However, the actions of the PR team make me wonder if the reasoning would be a PR nightmare. Imagine if she had a kidney transplant for example and had gone straight to the top of the list? It would be a PR disaster at a time the monarchy is struggling in general and would greatly weaken public support.

GracieNotes · 01/03/2024 14:15

It would be absolutely ludicrous if KP was lying about the state of Kate's health. What would be the point? They know that the public would never believe a word they ever said again, so it would be totally counter-productive.

I think W&K are digging in their heels because they know that if they can set a precedent here, they will be allowed more privacy in the future. Next time something like this happens, the speculation will be a lot less because the public will know that's how they do things.

I don't blame them! Kate has probably said the only way she can get through royal life is by having some occasional semblance of normality where she's not obliged to explain every little thing, from a neutral face expression to a plaster on her finger.

And you can't over-estimate how much grief (and anger) William must still be feeling about losing the support of his brother. It must be the loneliest place. Harry was someone he could trust to know what it's like being them, and now he's on his own. What a loss.

For all their wealth and comforts, I wouldn't wish their gilded-cage existence for anything.

Newchapterbeckons · 01/03/2024 14:30

GracieNotes · 01/03/2024 14:15

It would be absolutely ludicrous if KP was lying about the state of Kate's health. What would be the point? They know that the public would never believe a word they ever said again, so it would be totally counter-productive.

I think W&K are digging in their heels because they know that if they can set a precedent here, they will be allowed more privacy in the future. Next time something like this happens, the speculation will be a lot less because the public will know that's how they do things.

I don't blame them! Kate has probably said the only way she can get through royal life is by having some occasional semblance of normality where she's not obliged to explain every little thing, from a neutral face expression to a plaster on her finger.

And you can't over-estimate how much grief (and anger) William must still be feeling about losing the support of his brother. It must be the loneliest place. Harry was someone he could trust to know what it's like being them, and now he's on his own. What a loss.

For all their wealth and comforts, I wouldn't wish their gilded-cage existence for anything.

Lying is different from omission. Kate is doing well could mean literally anything - it’s so opaque. Doing well given the prognosis or doing well and cartwheeling most days. If she is seriously ill they may wish to keep it private until she has improved.

If you cultivate a relationship with the public as you need them to be on board with the massive costs, you can’t pick and choose when they care 🤷🏼‍♀️

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 01/03/2024 14:38

Newchapterbeckons · 01/03/2024 13:15

I see the shift has started. Repeating over and over again the KP narrative.

She is apparently flicking through magazines

Williams ‘personal matter’ is nothing, he always pulls out of his family memorials with under an hour to go

It’s completely normal for Kate to go off grid for three months without a word

Totally normal for her not to thank her well wishers

Of course she is holed up somewhere and the unnamed source stating she is ‘doing well’ was underwhelming - of course they wouldn’t normally say she is recovering as expected and we will see her soon. As they always do with anything like this.

It’s fucking disturbing as it is dishonest, whilst the PR machine lurch into one crisis after another with their fingers in their ears. It’s bizarre to watch and witness.

JUST BE HONEST!!

Whatever the truth is, it can’t be any worse than the shit currently being served up as people search for the truth.

I feel sorry for Kate, she is being very badly let down and represented by the people that should be protecting her. Tell the truth and the public will respond with love and support.

Absolute bollocks. You couldn’t give a shit about Kate, or her being shown “love and support”. You just want what you believe is the juicier story being covered up.

You'd bloody LOVE it if she was in a coma as you suggested. You’d be glued to coverage of “Will Kate pull through?” and tabloid campaigns urging us all to light a candle at 8pm every Sunday and send out positive vibes for our beloved Princess of Wales. Or if she was in a mental health facility - you could crow about how it’s poor Diana all over again, pore over articles comparing the two and raking up the past. Then you’d really feel like you were getting bang for your buck. You’d be salivating like Pavlov’s bloody dogs.

This has nothing to do with genuine concern on your part and everything to do with the “living soap opera” you think you are owed in return for your tax contributions.

2dogsandabudgie · 01/03/2024 14:40

To be honest I hadn't really taken much notice of when Kate Middleton was last seen in public. I knew she'd had an operation and is supposed to be recovering until after Easter.

When I saw the title of this thread yesterday I thought it was about someone's son/daughter who hadn't come home from a night out or something, not speculation about KM.

I don't blame her for keeping quiet. I can't understand why people think it's ok for everyone to know everyone else's business. Some of the things people post on Facebook is ridiculous.

User7825525 · 01/03/2024 15:01

KenAdams · 01/03/2024 13:56

I was convinced it was bowel surgery with a temporary stoma (you don't know you're having a stoma until you come out of theatre with one in some cases).

However, the actions of the PR team make me wonder if the reasoning would be a PR nightmare. Imagine if she had a kidney transplant for example and had gone straight to the top of the list? It would be a PR disaster at a time the monarchy is struggling in general and would greatly weaken public support.

What doesn‘t make much sense here is that from what (little) info we know about Kate, she seems like a mentally resilient, neurotypical woman. You have to be in order to sign up for a life like that. She doesn‘t seem the type to prioritise privacy & self care over such disastrous PR that’s on the verge of destroying the monarchy. Another possibility is that she genuinely doesn‘t know what‘s going on and might be on some sort of digital detox. Maybe the PR team keep assuring her everything is fine and she has her phone turned off until Easter.

She has lived with her health condition for years, if not decades, and must have been aware what potential treatments or complications could arise. Even if it was an ostomy, those are designed to improve your quality of life and greatly reduce pain. When faced with your mortality, most chronically ill patients accept the treatment for a better quality of life. The convalescent phase is hard but there are always moments of relief as well because it means the end of previous forms of suffering. It would be logical to send thanks or an update message during those windows of hope, but maybe this has been discouraged by the PR team themselves.

It seems a tad dramatic to suggest that an ostomy or hysterectomy or whatnot is “mentally breaking“ to the point that someone is not capable of speaking, writing or working for 3 full months. It‘s like saying a cancer patient must be so traumatised by hair loss that they refuse to leave the house for their entire treatment. In reality, most people get a hat or a wig and push on.

2dogsandabudgie · 01/03/2024 15:05

Newchapterbeckons · 01/03/2024 13:21

You think it’s normal for William to take THREE months off?? Why???

Why does he need to be off the scene. They have teams of home help.

No need for him to pull out of memorials.

You get a life and engage your brain perhaps.

Prince William has been in Wrexham today visiting a pub, then went to a local school to chat about Welsh culture and history for St. David's Day and then visited a memorial for the victims of the Gresham mining disaster.

He looked very happy at the school and the pub chatting and having photos taken with well wishers. Sorry to disappoint you.

DappledThings · 01/03/2024 15:10

such disastrous PR that’s on the verge of destroying the monarchy
and you're accusing others of being dramatic?

That's hilarious.

DontLeanOnTheKeyboard · 01/03/2024 15:16

User7825525 · 01/03/2024 09:12

The crux of the issue that the RF is the ultimate example of a parasocial relationship. Their existence hinges on getting people to like them, and the entire country being part of their personal life events like a birth, wedding or funeral. They‘re basically celebs or influencers before those jobs even existed. In exchange for giving up some privacy, they enjoy access to unparalleled wealth that they do not have to earn themselves.

The current situation shows that the entire institution is sorely out of touch with the digital age, or maybe where the RF fits in entirely in 2024. People are used to constant information, instant communication, fast updates, text, images, video etc. News or quotes go viral on social media within minutes. It‘s fine to say there will be nothing until easter but that timeframe is an eternity in the digital world.

The typical behaviour of anyone going to hospital or recovering from surgery would be to keep their friends and family updated via text. Even it‘s an emoji or just some kind of personal assurance that thing are fine or you appreciate the well wishes. And yes, a parasocial relationship means the public care about members of the RF like something they know personally and and therefore hope for the same structure of communication.

The palace is essentially going back to the middle ages method of posting a sign on the door of a church and then telling everyone to fuck off. They seem entirely ignorant of the fact that life in the UK is essentially collapsing with COL, NHS, schools etc. There are many areas of this whole episode that touch a nerve with bigger issues. Like the fact they have the luxury to take 3 months off and clearly never had to wait 12hrs in an A&E. People may be ok with the taxpayer funded lives of the RF but they expect a token of acknowledgement in return.

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This completely - The Queen was fully the public’s servant (still a bloody lot of money for ribbon cutting because you were born into a certain family) and she accepted the enhanced and intrusive nature of the role.

The lot of them now are happy to grab the money but definitely not giving a return on investment - people are invested because they are! We’ve got Harry flouncing and trying to rent a strapped and utterly demoralised police force, Andrew living the life of Riley merrily doing his thing on our money, and now this. I wasn’t aware people marrying into the royals suddenly developed a strange slow way of healing?

C-sections are major abdominal surgeries yet lots of women have them and it’s home after a few days and straight into full time parenting - often with an older child too. I’m going in for a complex hernia repair lots of surgeries there, lots of adhesions and a hernia I’ve left too long.

On the one hand they try to play the new modern RF, but revert to type when it suits them. Come on KC, let’s be done with it, there’s better things we can do with this money. Tourists will still come, it’s for the buildings, not the odd chance they might see a royal. It’s like some archaic serfdom.

TheBayLady · 01/03/2024 15:20

Newchapterbeckons · 01/03/2024 13:15

I see the shift has started. Repeating over and over again the KP narrative.

She is apparently flicking through magazines

Williams ‘personal matter’ is nothing, he always pulls out of his family memorials with under an hour to go

It’s completely normal for Kate to go off grid for three months without a word

Totally normal for her not to thank her well wishers

Of course she is holed up somewhere and the unnamed source stating she is ‘doing well’ was underwhelming - of course they wouldn’t normally say she is recovering as expected and we will see her soon. As they always do with anything like this.

It’s fucking disturbing as it is dishonest, whilst the PR machine lurch into one crisis after another with their fingers in their ears. It’s bizarre to watch and witness.

JUST BE HONEST!!

Whatever the truth is, it can’t be any worse than the shit currently being served up as people search for the truth.

I feel sorry for Kate, she is being very badly let down and represented by the people that should be protecting her. Tell the truth and the public will respond with love and support.

Did you miss the bit where we were told Catherine was going to have major surgery and would be recovering until Easter ?

RokaandRoll · 01/03/2024 15:25

I think the royals hang out with very rich, aristocratic types who don't have to work and then start thinking "why should I have to work when they don't"? They're not comparing themselves with the vast majority of us who have to earn our keep because we're not their peers. So it's no wonder some of them get lazy.

swayingpalmtree · 01/03/2024 15:26

User7825525 · 01/03/2024 09:12

The crux of the issue that the RF is the ultimate example of a parasocial relationship. Their existence hinges on getting people to like them, and the entire country being part of their personal life events like a birth, wedding or funeral. They‘re basically celebs or influencers before those jobs even existed. In exchange for giving up some privacy, they enjoy access to unparalleled wealth that they do not have to earn themselves.

The current situation shows that the entire institution is sorely out of touch with the digital age, or maybe where the RF fits in entirely in 2024. People are used to constant information, instant communication, fast updates, text, images, video etc. News or quotes go viral on social media within minutes. It‘s fine to say there will be nothing until easter but that timeframe is an eternity in the digital world.

The typical behaviour of anyone going to hospital or recovering from surgery would be to keep their friends and family updated via text. Even it‘s an emoji or just some kind of personal assurance that thing are fine or you appreciate the well wishes. And yes, a parasocial relationship means the public care about members of the RF like something they know personally and and therefore hope for the same structure of communication.

The palace is essentially going back to the middle ages method of posting a sign on the door of a church and then telling everyone to fuck off. They seem entirely ignorant of the fact that life in the UK is essentially collapsing with COL, NHS, schools etc. There are many areas of this whole episode that touch a nerve with bigger issues. Like the fact they have the luxury to take 3 months off and clearly never had to wait 12hrs in an A&E. People may be ok with the taxpayer funded lives of the RF but they expect a token of acknowledgement in return.

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Absolutely this. I cant believe people with the whole faux naive "why are people so invested???" - seriously?

They live in a fcking palace right in the middle of London. They expected a great country wide hoopla during the coronation with a massive procession through the streets in a gold carriage whilst many people cant even pay their rent and our tax goes to support them. Their face is on our bloody money.

Of course people are "invested"- why arent they allowed to be curious about these people who live in massive wealth in the public eye that we pay for?

Bloody hell.

Porkfest · 01/03/2024 15:42

User7825525 · 01/03/2024 15:01

What doesn‘t make much sense here is that from what (little) info we know about Kate, she seems like a mentally resilient, neurotypical woman. You have to be in order to sign up for a life like that. She doesn‘t seem the type to prioritise privacy & self care over such disastrous PR that’s on the verge of destroying the monarchy. Another possibility is that she genuinely doesn‘t know what‘s going on and might be on some sort of digital detox. Maybe the PR team keep assuring her everything is fine and she has her phone turned off until Easter.

She has lived with her health condition for years, if not decades, and must have been aware what potential treatments or complications could arise. Even if it was an ostomy, those are designed to improve your quality of life and greatly reduce pain. When faced with your mortality, most chronically ill patients accept the treatment for a better quality of life. The convalescent phase is hard but there are always moments of relief as well because it means the end of previous forms of suffering. It would be logical to send thanks or an update message during those windows of hope, but maybe this has been discouraged by the PR team themselves.

It seems a tad dramatic to suggest that an ostomy or hysterectomy or whatnot is “mentally breaking“ to the point that someone is not capable of speaking, writing or working for 3 full months. It‘s like saying a cancer patient must be so traumatised by hair loss that they refuse to leave the house for their entire treatment. In reality, most people get a hat or a wig and push on.

She has lived with her health condition for years, if not decades, and must have been aware what potential treatments or complications could arise.

How can you assert this information?

DontLeanOnTheKeyboard · 01/03/2024 15:50

What health condition?

Newchapterbeckons · 01/03/2024 15:58

swayingpalmtree · 01/03/2024 15:26

Absolutely this. I cant believe people with the whole faux naive "why are people so invested???" - seriously?

They live in a fcking palace right in the middle of London. They expected a great country wide hoopla during the coronation with a massive procession through the streets in a gold carriage whilst many people cant even pay their rent and our tax goes to support them. Their face is on our bloody money.

Of course people are "invested"- why arent they allowed to be curious about these people who live in massive wealth in the public eye that we pay for?

Bloody hell.

Beautifully said. By both thank you.
If it’s not something extremely serious then this is just plain old contempt.

KimberleyClark · 01/03/2024 16:12

Will and Kate’s attitude to the public seems to be “you’re lucky to have us”. Quite unlike his grandmother or even his father.

DontLeanOnTheKeyboard · 01/03/2024 16:44

I feel like they’re all trying to lead more ‘normal’ and private lives whilst quite happily still taking the money. But then again, that sums up this country really: the poor graft and scrimp and save, those born into money suck even more from the poor.

ChanelNo19EDT · 01/03/2024 16:52

Seriously, even "abdominal," surgery was more than we needed.
It's just curiosity. I'm curious myself but I get it, we don't need to know. Our knowing does change anything

2dogsandabudgie · 01/03/2024 17:04

KimberleyClark · 01/03/2024 16:12

Will and Kate’s attitude to the public seems to be “you’re lucky to have us”. Quite unlike his grandmother or even his father.

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I think William and Kate have looked at events from the past and don't want that level of intrusion and I don't blame them. The press hounded his mother to the point of obsession with her and over stepped the mark on so many occasions. Every aspect of Charles and Diana's marriage was scrutinized and they both made TV documentaries which they should never have done, not to mention the awful intrusion in to their private telephone conversations which were then published in the papers.

We have been told that Kate has had major surgery and is recovering until after Easter. Prince William is carrying out official engagements and has said she is well and thanks well wishers. We don't need to know any more than that.

Dave Myers who died earlier this week said he didn't disclose which type of cancer he had because he didn't want to be judged and for everyone to be discussing it and may be that's how the Princess of Wales feels because everyone will have an opinion on it. I think if someone doesn't want to disclose their medical condition we should respect that.

Ihavenoclu · 01/03/2024 17:38

Amillionmenwenttomowameadow · 29/02/2024 13:50

It does make you wonder though, so many weird things with the RF at the mo

What is it you are wondering?