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To want my husband to say something about MIL's comments

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danialan · 28/02/2024 14:16

DH is the youngest child of a very wealthy family, he has an older brother who isn’t as close to their mum as DH is, I suspect I know the reasons (see post below) but have no confirmation.

MIL will constantly make comments to us suggesting that if any decision is made that she disagrees with, it’s a stupid decision and only made by us because we’re young (I’m late 20s, DH mid-30s), inexperienced and probably not as smart as her (no one is!).
Example 1 - we went to Young V&A with our DDs and when MIL called early afternoon as we were on our way back in the car, we told her what we had been up to. MIL’s response was “you kept them indoors for half the day?!”, DH responds that actually the girls loved it, it was super interactive, we’ll send some pics when we get home. She goes “right, um, are you at least planning to take them to the park later today? They need fresh air! How sad for them to be in a stuffy museum”
Example 2 - we were planning to name after my grandma who died during my pregnancy, her name was Arina, and yes I’m from abroad. MIL wouldn’t stop with comments like “at least give it as a middle name… with Wembley as a first name hahaha” (for those from outside UK, Wembley Arena is a massive stadium). And “well she won’t thank you when she’s being bullied” or “and Pitch if he’s a boy, yeah?”
Example 3 - one of my daughters was climbing down from the sofa, she’s done this before successfully many times and I don’t think it’s great parenting to run up to your child any time they’re learning / practicing something and “helping” - they’ll never get the chance to learn or develop muscles! The whole time MIL kept saying “I don’t want to see this” “she’ll fall - do you not care?”
There’s more examples to give if needed but don’t want to make the initial post super long, I know it already will be!

DH doesn’t pressure me to do everything she comments on (although our daughter isn’t called Arina) but I can see that the comments make him upset or uncomfortable, I don’t know which. And in front of her he feels like he has to just do as she says, never stands up to her. For example in the sofa example he will lift her down instead of saying “it’s okay mum, she’s safe, she’s learning, it’s a low sofa and it’s stood on a carpet”, whereas at home he’d let her do it. Suddenly after the museum example he volunteered to take them both to the playground.

On the face of it, MIL loves her son (DH) and just wants what’s best for him, loves our 2 DDs and she wants what’s best for them too. She wants to see them lots and she just also has so much life experience that she can’t wait to share with us, all because, in case it’s not been mentioned, she wants what’s best for us. That’s DH’s interpretation and MIL’s reasoning if questioned about the comments or her overinvolvement.

To avoid a drip feed: she does financially help in the sense that she gifted DH a house in which we currently live and often gives nice “gifts” like a car, baby equipment, nice baby clothes etc and invites us on luxurious holidays (which I actually hate because it’s 24/7 comments on every decision we make and how it’s wrong). However the financial support allows me not to work and be a SAHM which I’m of course grateful for and perhaps should keep my mouth shut?

OP posts:
Daffodilsandtuplips · 29/02/2024 15:07

When he’s pandering to his mother on holiday getting her another cocktail or whatever, gather yourself and the kids stuff up after half an hour or so and saunter back over there and get settled in, ask him to get you a cocktail and something for the kids while he’s at it. Keep subtly reminding the pair of them that he’s a parent with responsibilities.

LondonFox · 29/02/2024 15:31

danialan · 28/02/2024 20:30

Thank you for all the responses, wow didn't expect so many! I'll address the most common questions

Yes he works. Earns just under 100K. When I quit my job I was in a similar field to him, earnt 70K. Long working hours, which he still has.

Arina - my husband did initially love the name. In fact he suggested it as I was so upset about my grandma dying and we hadn't really decided on a name at that point. He loved it up until MIL commented a few times and then he started giving me other suggestions. I said I still prefer Arina, he said he's fallen in love with [another name, not DD's name now]. We went back and forth but ultimately chose another one we both agreed on.

Have I responded to any of her comments? Yes, I generally do, but politely. So on the sofa one we were standing close to the sofa, but not holding up DD with our hands and I just repeated 'this is fine' 'she's done this before' 'she's ok'. Then it became redundant because DH already lifted her off. Or on holiday when asked about why I only got to the beach by 9am I said that's the routine that works best for the girls, I don't see the need to wake them up, it's plenty of sun for them. And on the clothing point I said I'll keep them in the sun protective swimwear as that's better than naked. The name is the only time I got slightly rude because I was VERY annoyed at MIL and upset about my gran - I said "it's a beautiful name actually, would be much nicer to have a unique and beautifully sounding name than something that half the class will also be called" (both her sons have very common names) and when she suggested "Jasmine" I said I'd never name my child after a flower, she'd have to use it as a grown up, not just a little girl (MIL's name is a flower)

"So on the sofa one we were standing close to the sofa, but not holding up DD with our hands and I just repeated 'this is fine' 'she's done this before' 'she's ok'. Then it became redundant because DH already lifted her off."

You can start talking to your DH.
It would take probably one, most two situations like this before I'd lose my shit and tell DH to leave fucking child alone to learn as she normally does when MIL isn't around. Idk why you aren't standing up for yourself more. It's not like you need their money.

saraclara · 29/02/2024 16:31

"So on the sofa one we were standing close to the sofa, but not holding up DD with our hands and I just repeated 'this is fine' 'she's done this before' 'she's ok'. Then it became redundant because DH already lifted her off."

But really, is this a big thing? My first was incredibly well coordinated and strong when she was tiny. She put the fear of god into everyone when she climbed and balanced like a much older child, without fear. But I knew she could do it. I wasn't a casual parent but I knew that she had this unusual ability so I stood back.
Of course my MIL, my friends, other mums used to warn me and expect me to do something. I'd say the same as you, but occasionally my DH or I would lift her down or support her more anyway, just to save people stressing. Not a biggie.

The holiday and name things are bad, but the rest? You seem to be making a mountain of of a molehill.

Allfur · 29/02/2024 16:41

Calliopespa, the op is being taken advantage of, 'used and disrespected' - by giving that back, it resets the balance

BooBooDoodle · 29/02/2024 17:40

Get a job, earn your own money and get some independence. She’s got an opinion on everything you do because she’s bank rolling you and you’re jumping through hoops to make sure the gravy train doesn’t end. Have some self respect and start making your opinions matter and count for something. Your child is growing up seeing and hearing all of this. Set an example and be a good role model for her.

Anon543210 · 29/02/2024 17:58

Wow some proper weird comments in this thread, it doesn't matter how much financial help the mil gives that still does not give her carte blanche to run your lives. The people actually saying that you need to suck it up because of the financial help she gives it doesn't mean she has bought your lives or all your free will that's just an insane way of thinking and I can't belive so many grown supposedly intelligent adults would even think that way let alone say it out loud that's just crazy to me.

Loyallyreserved · 29/02/2024 18:17

MIL gives you a house, luxury holidays, gifts which you happily accept allowing you to be a SAHM. And she feels entitled to comment on your behaviour.
so you have a choice - either don’t accept the gifts and be self sufficient, or, accept the gifts and shut up.
Your choice.

JustAnotherMumOfBoys · 29/02/2024 18:44

imo you don’t owe her anything just because she pays. She is plain rude.

the whole “whoever pays is king” is wrong and that’s the reason many women accept to be treated like garbage by their DHs.

nothing to do with money and all to do with manners and respect.

you need to be respectful but speak your mind, and so does your DH.
on the other hand she sounds like a nightmare so she won’t stop, but at least she knows you are not a pushover.
Good luck

threatmatrix · 29/02/2024 18:54

danialan · 28/02/2024 14:20

@DistingusedSocialCommentator what else do I want? To not be put down for every single decision I ever make, including where I take my kids.

And she didn't gift me a house - it's in his name with a strong pre nup.

Then go out get a job and refuse help from her. I’d feel guilty accepting so much from someone I disliked.

Sickdissapointed · 29/02/2024 18:56

Agree he who pays the piper plays the tune. I had a MIL like this. Offered to pay for lots but totally overrode every decision as a result. My MIL even turned up at a house viewing unannounced calling estate agent by his first name and totally took over. Turns out she wanted to invest in our home. I had totally had enough by this time.
My advice. Talk to DH. Get a job. Feather your own nest. Men with mothers like this rarely stand up to them. She will destroy your marriage. Happened to me.

Mumof3confused · 29/02/2024 18:58

People seem to have jumped on the fact that you’ve got a comfortable life and don’t have to work, and I suspect jealousy is underlying the comments of ‘put up and shut up and you’ve been bought and accepted it’.

The thing is, it’s not about that. If you had (or get) a job, there will be an avalanche or critique because you’re ‘abandoning the baby’ and all sorts of absolute nonsense.

She sounds like a covert narcissist and very entitled - your DH has been well trained for years to suck up to her. If he stands up for you there WILL be consequences. Would he choose to protect you and your dignity over nice cars and holidays?

I suspect the other brother is less popular because he sometimes stands up to her? Narcissists always play their children off against each other and will have one Golden Child.

RecklessGoddess · 29/02/2024 19:15

I think you need to look up "pre nup"!

RecklessGoddess · 29/02/2024 19:17

Personally, I would rather have to work and live somewhere else, than put up with all the nasty and rude comments and micro managing!

restingbitchface30 · 29/02/2024 19:27

You’ve had so many nasty comments that I’ve read on here.
I get it, my mil is vile. She even told me I was fat at the weekend so that was pleasant. Always telling me I’m not looking after my babies properly, just unpleasant to be around. Because
of that I wouldn’t accept anything off her. I wouldn’t be going on any holidays she paid for, I wouldn’t be comfortable living in a house she paid for etc. I personally am happy seeing my mil twice a year and I can do that because we aren’t reliant on her for anything. If money is the issue I’m afraid you’ll have to go out to work. That way you won’t feel beholden to her.

DisabledDemon · 29/02/2024 19:44

Well, if you want to keep on being a SAHM and keep on accepting the handouts to enable this, then you only have one other choice if your DH won't step in. You'll just have to wait for her to die.

IncognitoIsMyFavouriteWord · 29/02/2024 19:56

I don't agree with most posters. Gifts shouldn't come with stipulations of disrespect.

When she bought the house for OPs husband did she say "as long you parent your children the way I say?"

The comments are not okay and MIL should be told.

OldPerson · 29/02/2024 20:00

When you accepted the house, the car and never needing to work ..... you accepted the over-involvement of MIL. You're going to have to approach this strategically and decide what rights and involvement MIL has, such as which schools the kids go to - epsecially if she's paying. Does brother of DH get the same benefits?

saraclara · 29/02/2024 20:06

IncognitoIsMyFavouriteWord · 29/02/2024 19:56

I don't agree with most posters. Gifts shouldn't come with stipulations of disrespect.

When she bought the house for OPs husband did she say "as long you parent your children the way I say?"

The comments are not okay and MIL should be told.

No-one has said that gifts should come with stipulations.i don't know why you think you're disagreeing because you're saying what virtually everyone has said.

What we're saying in addition though, is that this is what was bound to happen when she and her DH don't take responsibility for and fund their own lives. It's wrong of MIL but OP and DH have facilitated this behaviour and they need to to stop doing that and act like mature adults

McYummy · 29/02/2024 20:27

You do not need to choose between the financial support and the MIL comments. You do have a choice in how the comments make you feel. Choose to have a private "eye-roll" moment with your DH. Choose to smile and blatantly ignore her. Choose your battles (the name might have been one I'd have taken a stand on). You will not change your MIL. Your DH needs to be in your camp though. If MIL withdraws financial support because she is unable to make you feel shit any more, then that will be entirely on her.

Idontcareboutthestateofmyhair · 01/03/2024 01:34

Honestly? Suck it up.. most DMs/ MILs will have comments regardless of their wealth! It's how you deal with it that counts! You are in a very lucky position, which I am sure you're aware of.. not having to think of work/bills when kids are small gives you a life with your small children most women can only dream about. I get that you feel she is being patronising because of your age, but believe me honey, it wouldn't matter what age you are, olders still know best, even when they don't! Stop fighting a fight you can't win..when she criticises, agree even! Oh of course, museum today...park tomorrow! Enjoy your enviable position of being with your kids to witness every early precious milestone, be grateful that your love for your husband has led you to a life of wealth, and remember just about EVERY new mother has criticism from all older family members! Play the game to your advantage! ❤️

Packetofcrispsplease · 01/03/2024 08:36

Husband and myself have done everything for ourselves and our family with very little to no practical help .
No financial help and no emotional support either .
MIL comments seem very irritating but ultimately harmless .
Goodness I’ve had similar comments from own parents and in laws !
Comments such as -
Oh I would do it that way , why aren’t you doing this , I’d feed the baby that etc etc .
The older one is being spoilt ( she definitely wasn’t 😂) and so on .
Those comments did affect me at first but best to let it wash over you.
Smile and calmly explain why you’re doing certain things , do things your own way when she’s not around

AyeupDuck · 01/03/2024 09:21

Mummy’s boy for sure but that stuff she said would kind of wash over me but I’m good at just thinking people can be shit and what do I care what they think of me.

My MIL said in front of me on my wedding day to my husbands friends I really thought you two would get together. She deemed her more suitable. I just thought well I’m not going out of my way for you anymore. I did have the Mother of all arguments with her a few years later and she behaved herself after.

T1Dmama · 01/03/2024 09:43

danialan · 28/02/2024 22:00

@Codlingmoths yeah sort of. He will leave most of his stuff in the kids' part but will go over to his mum's "to help her out" ie bring towels etc, and that leads into a 1-2hr conversation. Then he will be back for a short while, usually just enough for a quick swim with the kids and checking some emails, then his mum wants a cocktail and needs his company because surely she can't drink alone so back he goes for another few hours. By that point we've had lunch with the kids because they got hungry and he was busy "helping" mum with something or just mid conversation, so he has to join his mum for lunch etc. If I ask about it he just says that he can't leave her without company, and im not eating lunch alone as ive got the children (toddlers)

Well @danialan i wouldn’t go on the holidays, tell DH that since MIL sits on an adult only beach and he sits with her you and the children might as well not be there, and it would actually be easier (for you) to watch them at home than on a beach anyway!
As for the name thing, I’d have been so upset with DH! Probably would’ve registered the birth without him and just used the name! What a spineless man!!
If she’s under a year old you can still change the name! We had comments on my daughters name, my mum constantly brought up other people with the same name and said ‘did you like her at school!’ Etc… but we stuck with the name as it’s beautiful and now my mum loves it!… my SIL when naming her two kept the names super private till they were born and then no one could comment on them! Had I had a 2nd child I think I’d have done the same and announced names once born & registered (And too late)..
In your situation I think I’d make excuses not to go round his mums so often, or tell her straight that her constant ‘advice’ actually kisses you off!
or tell DH that actually he’s the one who will have the kids only memory of him on holiday as being on a different beach to them! Or simply don’t go to the beach, leave them to it and spend the day instead by the pool!

Calliopespa · 01/03/2024 09:46

Packetofcrispsplease · 01/03/2024 08:36

Husband and myself have done everything for ourselves and our family with very little to no practical help .
No financial help and no emotional support either .
MIL comments seem very irritating but ultimately harmless .
Goodness I’ve had similar comments from own parents and in laws !
Comments such as -
Oh I would do it that way , why aren’t you doing this , I’d feed the baby that etc etc .
The older one is being spoilt ( she definitely wasn’t 😂) and so on .
Those comments did affect me at first but best to let it wash over you.
Smile and calmly explain why you’re doing certain things , do things your own way when she’s not around

Yes I agree.

I do understand the name comment was hurtful but then you said some unkind things about her own name ( I love flower names!!) so I think that has to be set to one side as an unfortunate exchange.

I also think you could very appropriately just explain that you would love to be included in the adult time with them, rather than being left alone with the children. That isn’t confrontational and actually shows a positive desire for closer involvement, rather than a guns- blazing, divisive approach

The other comments are honestly quite tame and typical of involved grandparents.

You have to take rough with smooth in life and I wouldn’t be torching off a support system of someone who obviously takes a real interest in your dcs and wants what she feels ( doesn’t make her right) is best for them. Many people raise children with no support system either financial or any other input and you never know what life may throw at you and sometimes these slightly interfering interested parties might become a lifeline.

petmad · 01/03/2024 14:10

Dont accept any more money unless you need it shes got you over a barrell if you want to work work. money or not nobody dictates to you how to live youre life