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To want my husband to say something about MIL's comments

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danialan · 28/02/2024 14:16

DH is the youngest child of a very wealthy family, he has an older brother who isn’t as close to their mum as DH is, I suspect I know the reasons (see post below) but have no confirmation.

MIL will constantly make comments to us suggesting that if any decision is made that she disagrees with, it’s a stupid decision and only made by us because we’re young (I’m late 20s, DH mid-30s), inexperienced and probably not as smart as her (no one is!).
Example 1 - we went to Young V&A with our DDs and when MIL called early afternoon as we were on our way back in the car, we told her what we had been up to. MIL’s response was “you kept them indoors for half the day?!”, DH responds that actually the girls loved it, it was super interactive, we’ll send some pics when we get home. She goes “right, um, are you at least planning to take them to the park later today? They need fresh air! How sad for them to be in a stuffy museum”
Example 2 - we were planning to name after my grandma who died during my pregnancy, her name was Arina, and yes I’m from abroad. MIL wouldn’t stop with comments like “at least give it as a middle name… with Wembley as a first name hahaha” (for those from outside UK, Wembley Arena is a massive stadium). And “well she won’t thank you when she’s being bullied” or “and Pitch if he’s a boy, yeah?”
Example 3 - one of my daughters was climbing down from the sofa, she’s done this before successfully many times and I don’t think it’s great parenting to run up to your child any time they’re learning / practicing something and “helping” - they’ll never get the chance to learn or develop muscles! The whole time MIL kept saying “I don’t want to see this” “she’ll fall - do you not care?”
There’s more examples to give if needed but don’t want to make the initial post super long, I know it already will be!

DH doesn’t pressure me to do everything she comments on (although our daughter isn’t called Arina) but I can see that the comments make him upset or uncomfortable, I don’t know which. And in front of her he feels like he has to just do as she says, never stands up to her. For example in the sofa example he will lift her down instead of saying “it’s okay mum, she’s safe, she’s learning, it’s a low sofa and it’s stood on a carpet”, whereas at home he’d let her do it. Suddenly after the museum example he volunteered to take them both to the playground.

On the face of it, MIL loves her son (DH) and just wants what’s best for him, loves our 2 DDs and she wants what’s best for them too. She wants to see them lots and she just also has so much life experience that she can’t wait to share with us, all because, in case it’s not been mentioned, she wants what’s best for us. That’s DH’s interpretation and MIL’s reasoning if questioned about the comments or her overinvolvement.

To avoid a drip feed: she does financially help in the sense that she gifted DH a house in which we currently live and often gives nice “gifts” like a car, baby equipment, nice baby clothes etc and invites us on luxurious holidays (which I actually hate because it’s 24/7 comments on every decision we make and how it’s wrong). However the financial support allows me not to work and be a SAHM which I’m of course grateful for and perhaps should keep my mouth shut?

OP posts:
ForgivenessHope · 28/02/2024 20:30

danialan · 28/02/2024 14:20

@DistingusedSocialCommentator what else do I want? To not be put down for every single decision I ever make, including where I take my kids.

And she didn't gift me a house - it's in his name with a strong pre nup.

@danialan er, this allows you to use your money ( or yours and his money) to invest for you or buy you a flat? or are you financially dependant on your DH?

love the strong pre Nup though- good woman.

Meowandthen · 28/02/2024 20:36

Your husband swapped his backbone for a house.

You were also given a lot of money and presumably have a rental income from the property.

Have either of you ever been financially independent? Seems that you like the money more than you want independence.

Yiur husband needs to tell his mother not to be rude to you, or dismissive of your parenting. she sounds controlling but you also need to politely and firmly stand up to her.

The MiL seems to think she has bought you both. She has a bit as this seem to be gifts with strings. You don’t have to go on holiday with her. Pay for your own but if you want to keep being bought cars, you will have to pay her price.

There are always choices.

Alittlebitwary · 28/02/2024 20:36

Some absolutely awful responses on here!
If the MIL wants to buy gifts, then that's up to her.
That doesn't mean she can behave awfully towards them.
If the gifts come from a good place, they don't come with strings attached. I would never dream of gifting things to my DCs and expecting that to mean I have power over that person, or that I can be disrespectful and awful without consequence.

As a mother you would do it to give your children a good life!

Have you told your MIL how her comments make you feel? That they belittle and berate you and disrespect you as parents? That her son is too afraid to say anything to her?

I'd be calling her out on it and telling her how it's affecting you. It takes nothing to be kind, and unfortunately money doesn't always equate kindness. Nor happiness!

Jandob · 28/02/2024 20:38

Tricky. Take it with a bit of a shrug. Just go thanks for the advice, but... Or just say great, what are you up to Mum?

bombastix · 28/02/2024 20:40

People like these buy people. I assume this woman has no real friends of her own; so she enjoys you all squirming around her as she gets ruder and ruder. Gifts from people like this always have strings attached. Cut them.

6pence · 28/02/2024 20:43

You can’t change the situation but you can change your reaction to it.

Let it wash over you. Mentally (or physically if she can’t see you) stick two fingers up at her every time she says something to upset you.

Don’t be afraid to snap occasionally. At the moment there is no consequence for her. If she knows you sometimes snap back, she might be more mindful of what she says.

britneyisfree · 28/02/2024 20:48

If you don't even get to sit on the beach with your husband and do all childcare alone when on holiday with these people you may as well stay home. Fuck that. The rest you can deal with day to day but no more holidays!!

Wallywobbles · 28/02/2024 20:49

Unless you make it more uncomfortable for your wet DH to piss you off than piss her off he'll keep pleasing her. I'm surprised you can find him attractive any more.

Fromthestart · 28/02/2024 21:00

I think your mother in law and husband have some form of enmeshment. Sadly I also think she sounds like a narcissist and I'd watch my mental health.

FortunataTagnips · 28/02/2024 21:05

Allfur · 28/02/2024 17:34

Lol, London has a great public transport system.

Lol. I know that. I live there. But it’s so far from the point of this thread.

dottiedodah · 28/02/2024 21:11

She is generous with gifts and allows you to be a SAHP though.What more can you say.I twisted my arm falling off my Nans sofa as a child too ,so be careful .You have a lot of financial help here TBH

saraclara · 28/02/2024 21:12

Have I responded to any of her comments? Yes, I generally do, but politely. So on the sofa one we were standing close to the sofa, but not holding up DD with our hands and I just repeated 'this is fine' 'she's done this before' 'she's ok'. Then it became redundant because DH already lifted her off. Or on holiday when asked about why I only got to the beach by 9am I said that's the routine that works best for the girls, I don't see the need to wake them up, it's plenty of sun for them. And on the clothing point I said I'll keep them in the sun protective swimwear as that's better than naked.

Surely this is fairly average Grandma stuff though? I mean, I think that by Mumsnet standards I'm a pretty non interfering grandma (I'm mum not MIL) but this stuff is only a step out two away from me. There's nothing horrific (though she was horribly rude about your mum's name) so I'm not sure why you're as wound up by it as you are. You're clearly managing your responses confidently, so given the house, the cars and everything else, I'd just suck it up

Allfur · 28/02/2024 21:17

FortunataTagnips · 28/02/2024 21:05

Lol. I know that. I live there. But it’s so far from the point of this thread.

It's a public forum

OnGoldenPond · 28/02/2024 21:32

Allfur · 28/02/2024 15:48

Why are you driving to the young v and a?

Why not?

OnGoldenPond · 28/02/2024 21:38

aloris · 28/02/2024 16:19

Girl, you are wearing golden handcuffs. Is it really worth it? You have no ownership of the house you live in. That's a big NOPE from me. Your marital assets are pre-nuped away from you and that makes you a nanny, housekeeper and chauffeur, for nothing more than room + board + really unpleasant "holidays."

It would be interesting to know the terms of this prenup. Unless it makes adequate provision for the needs of OP and the DC of which she is primary carer there is no way it would stand up in a UK family court. They aren't going to send her and DC to live in poverty on the streets while her DH dines from golden platters in his palace! Grin

Pibrea · 28/02/2024 21:42

I disagree with most of the other posters. Gifts shouldn’t come with strings attached. Lots of parents help their children out, to varying degrees, and don’t behave like this toward them. I don’t have any advice other than to ask your husband to stop pandering to her.

Codlingmoths · 28/02/2024 21:48

lol at the snappy comment re flower names, she deserved that 😁
does your dh go to the no kids part of the holiday place? If so I wouldn’t be going on holiday with his mum again, just say no.

your Dh doesn’t sound like he has much backbone or ability to achieve for himself. He’s tied to mummy’s golden apron strings. I’d be future career planning if I were you to have something apart from dc in your lives in case this all goes tits up (& if it did and the prenup wasn’t generous I’d get a lawyer and challenge it)

saraclara · 28/02/2024 21:51

Pibrea · 28/02/2024 21:42

I disagree with most of the other posters. Gifts shouldn’t come with strings attached. Lots of parents help their children out, to varying degrees, and don’t behave like this toward them. I don’t have any advice other than to ask your husband to stop pandering to her.

I don't think that anyone has said that their should be strings attached. But in this case, by accepting such an astonishing level of gifting (a house, cars, holidays and I dare say much more) OP and her husband have walked into this situation. If they'd been independent, made their own way, and lived in a house that they were paying for themselves, the in laws would be less enmeshed with their lives.

It's more that their in-laws don't see them as independent adults, and they should have seen that coming.

LindaHamilton · 28/02/2024 21:53

danialan · 28/02/2024 14:20

@DistingusedSocialCommentator what else do I want? To not be put down for every single decision I ever make, including where I take my kids.

And she didn't gift me a house - it's in his name with a strong pre nup.

Pre nups, even the strongest ones, are never set in stone and a judge is able to reject them. They are not that legally binding.

LindaHamilton · 28/02/2024 21:58

To the people saying 'stop taking the financial help', that's easy to say but if it were any of us in that situation it becomes much harder to kill a goose that lays an egg. If you had young kids and could stay at home with them rather than go to work then the option would be a no brainer...

danialan · 28/02/2024 22:00

@Codlingmoths yeah sort of. He will leave most of his stuff in the kids' part but will go over to his mum's "to help her out" ie bring towels etc, and that leads into a 1-2hr conversation. Then he will be back for a short while, usually just enough for a quick swim with the kids and checking some emails, then his mum wants a cocktail and needs his company because surely she can't drink alone so back he goes for another few hours. By that point we've had lunch with the kids because they got hungry and he was busy "helping" mum with something or just mid conversation, so he has to join his mum for lunch etc. If I ask about it he just says that he can't leave her without company, and im not eating lunch alone as ive got the children (toddlers)

OP posts:
InterIgnis · 28/02/2024 22:07

While there are caveats to prenups, they are recognised in the UK, and are usually upheld. It’s a myth that they’re not worth anything.

whynotwhatknot · 28/02/2024 22:10

You ave a dh problem a mummys boy wo does as she wwants

Calliopespa · 28/02/2024 22:10

danialan · 28/02/2024 14:29

To everything saying "don't accept anything from her". My husband does and will 100% continue to. There's no way I can get him to stop.
But I don't want to have the comments.

To be honest the comments are pretty tame. I can see you are sensitive to them but involved grandparents do give input. That’s family. I’d try to just see it as the price for having back up in loving and supporting your dcs - and if sounds as if she adds a huge amount to their quality of life. You can’t expect her to act as a mute atm machine.

And for what it’s worth she may have some wisdom: my friends dc fell off a sofa and got quite a nasty head injury so I’m not sure she was totally OTT in worrying about that. I think it’s good your DH respects her and her opinions. The way he treats her will he how he treats you once your boobs are sagging and he can’t get it up much. Life changes and having a DH with basic respect for women is no bad thing.

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