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Needtonamechange9 · 24/02/2024 23:00

So I'm pretty certain I'm in the right.

I've been talking to this guy on the Bumble app for almost 2 months. Finally pinned down a date we could both meet (tonight).

I spent time getting ready and uberring 30 mins to see him and this is what happens. I'm the grey one.

I'm still in shock and on way home. If you read the rest of the messages from before today this guy seemed SO NORMAL!!!! Has a good job, kids.... WTF!!!!

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OP posts:
ChildofSunday · 25/02/2024 10:46

PickledPurplePickle · 25/02/2024 10:44

I said she is batshit and I stick by it

it all sounded innocent enough and she completely over reacted

‘Innocent enough’ 😂😂

I hope to god you are not single and online dating.

DeliciouslyDecadent · 25/02/2024 10:47

PickledPurplePickle · 25/02/2024 10:44

I said she is batshit and I stick by it

it all sounded innocent enough and she completely over reacted

Really @PickledPurplePickle ?

Maybe you need a bit more insight into how men can behave.

If you think this sounded innocent, it doesn't say much for your judgement.

Newsenmum · 25/02/2024 10:48

I agree it was never going to work. Really flakey of him and not a good sign for a first date. I don’t know about the threesome thing but if your spidey senses were tingling it didn’t sound meant to be.

willWillSmithsmith · 25/02/2024 10:48

PickledPurplePickle · 25/02/2024 10:44

I said she is batshit and I stick by it

it all sounded innocent enough and she completely over reacted

So you’d have gone to his flat then?

tryeverythingonce · 25/02/2024 10:48

Lots of red flags. Who turns up 'randomly' at someone's house in this day and age? The dropping in that 'I'm such a nice guy that I have to rescue a damsel in distress' - though not so nice that he is punctual for a date - also sounds inauthentic. It looks like it was chosen to signal that he's One of the Good Ones.

Dery · 25/02/2024 10:48

@ZZGirl - the issue is that you’re trusting his messages and taking them at face value. But this is not a trustworthy or decent guy.

A decent guy doesn’t behave the way he behaved. To be honest, a decent guy doesn’t fix a date on the terms agreed in the first place. But having dragged OP to a bar near him for a late night date, the decent thing to do would have been to make sure he was there at the bar first. Instead he left OP sitting there alone while he (best case scenario) chatted with another woman at his place. That’s not okay.

Then he tried to get OP to his place. That’s not okay. The suggestion upthread that he meant OP should walk to his place to collect them - I mean, WTAF!? There is nothing about this that’s okay and it’s worrying that so many women seem to think he’s okay and to be trusted.

tiredmama23 · 25/02/2024 10:49

ItsallIeverwanted · 25/02/2024 10:45

I met my husband through an old-fashioned dating agency (do they still exist?) a couple of decades ago, I met lots of very nice men, but also got chatting to many of them during the dates (I didn't drink, they always did) and what I learned was that even though they were paying £££ to meet Ms Right, they would be happy with a shag as an outcome of the evening, and so tried it on with pretty much most of their dates in a kind of ask and see what you get way. Only one was pushy and put his hands on me and he got thrown out of the dating agency, unfortunately meeting men in the wild doesn't have these type of back ups.

For those saying that dating and meeting horrible men, is all about luck- this thread is an opportunity to learn about getting luckier, by avoiding them on day one.

The easiest way to tell if something is bullshit is do the 'sniff' test. So, in this instance, think about your 46 year old husband, or even your 46 year old self. How many times has a female friend come around to your house, your home (not called) because they were very upset about a boyfriend in the past 6 months? Called at the house? On a Sat night? Ok, so I know that's a nope, because I have a lot of female friends who go through crises regularly and none just turn up at my house, they would call me, and see me when I was available, even in a crisis. See also my grandma was in hospital and this left me unable to call you for days. Again, when your grandma has been very ill in hospital- how many times has this happened in the last, say 6 months, to the state you have been unable to use a mobile phone for many days? O

These stories are used because they make the person seem kind and sympathetic. Unfortunately, they are lies. Perhaps he has a female flatmate, or no friend, or a male friend. It doesn't matter, it's a lie.

If, by some miracle, you are the statistical outlier who happens to be going on a date (near him, 5 min from his house, paid for in an Uber by him, all red flags to file), and he needed to change the arrangements, he wouldn't say- hey come over anyway and we can have a fun night with my friend (while she is crying?), he would write this:

'Hi X', I'm so sorry but I don't think I can leave my friend, she's very distraught, I think I'm going to have to cancel. I am so so sorry, I know you have travelled to see me, and I really appreciate it. I will pay for your Uber back. I totally understand if you don't want to see me again as this is such a let down, but would it be ok if I contacted you again in a few days and suggested a daytime meeting somewhere convenient for you. Again, I am so sorry'

He wouldn't write, hey, my friend is still up for a fun night and music, come over!!!!

Seriously, even if you aren't intending to date, you need to be giving your teens good advice on how to keep safe and do fun dating, both your male and female teens- and some of the advice on here is unsafe and blind to some very common tropes in the dating scene.

I taught my girls to always go with their gut even if they can't put their finger on why or they might be wrong. Always remove yourself and then work it out. Be impolite, get off the bus, leave the house, don't just sit there being polite. Politeness is deadly for women.

@ItsallIeverwanted

Incredibly sensible post!!

I taught my 17 Yr old daughter the same - if for any reason you feel uncomfortable or something just isn't sitting right, leave asap. Make an excuse and leave, call me, do whatever you need to, but get out of there. Because statistically, the odds aren't in her favour 🙁

Combattingthemoaners · 25/02/2024 10:49

PickledPurplePickle · 25/02/2024 10:44

I said she is batshit and I stick by it

it all sounded innocent enough and she completely over reacted

In that case, you’re a naive batshit.

Needtonamechange9 · 25/02/2024 10:49

A few people have messaged me asking if I'm ok. I appreciate that! I went straight home, called a friend and we had a laugh about it. Definitely annoyed at my time being wasted. Lesson learned!

The responses are so mixed. I have thick skin, so don't take anything said personally. I don't believe I was OTT, unhinged etc. I'm happy I stuck with my gut. I think by the time he got back to me I was already too pissed off to be polite to him about his friend being round. The messages we've sent to each other prior to last night are SO DIFFERENT it would have made anyone think something was up.

Thank you to those checking in, it's really kind of you.

OP posts:
Newsenmum · 25/02/2024 10:50

tiredmama23 · 25/02/2024 09:33

Yeah and even if OP was wrong about the threesome attempt (and she wasn't wrong imo), the rest in itself is just fucking red flag central. A man expecting a woman he's meeting for the first time to feel comfortable going to his house as a last minute change of plan, to sit with not only him but (allegedly) also a "female friend" who's conveniently having a life crisis at the precise time of his date, for the 3 of them to sit and talk about her crisis?? Jesus you'd have to be born yesterday to believe any of that.

Yep and even if it is true, no thanks!

XiCi · 25/02/2024 10:50

ChildofSunday · 25/02/2024 10:38

Anybody else noticed that a lot of the poster telling OP she is ‘batshit’ ‘overreacting’ and ‘he dodged a bullet’ are similar type of username…. Mostly lower case and female names.
I think the dodgy bloke who blatantly wanted a threesome last night is on mumsnet!

Yes and every single one says

You are batshit OR
He dodged a bullet OR
Massive overreaction

In very short sentences with no justification for why

Must be the same poster changing username surely

The only 'batshit' thing would have been OP believing the crock of shit story and going to his house.

CHRIS003 · 25/02/2024 10:51

In my opinion you did the right thing YANBU
Don't know why you are getting such a hard time on here.

carelesser · 25/02/2024 10:54

Needtonamechange9 · 25/02/2024 10:49

A few people have messaged me asking if I'm ok. I appreciate that! I went straight home, called a friend and we had a laugh about it. Definitely annoyed at my time being wasted. Lesson learned!

The responses are so mixed. I have thick skin, so don't take anything said personally. I don't believe I was OTT, unhinged etc. I'm happy I stuck with my gut. I think by the time he got back to me I was already too pissed off to be polite to him about his friend being round. The messages we've sent to each other prior to last night are SO DIFFERENT it would have made anyone think something was up.

Thank you to those checking in, it's really kind of you.

You were 💯 right, OP. Sorry for this shitshow of a thread. Just think how pathetic these people lives must be who are telling you to be graceful 🤣

Hippobot · 25/02/2024 10:54

This is giving date rape red flags to me:-

• Him suggesting a meeting place so close to his house but half an hour drive from hers so she doesn't know her surroundings but he does. Once she's drugged he could easily walk her to his home to "wait for a taxi" that he's never going to order. Then the next day he claims she voluntarily came home with him at closing time to wait for an Uber but she fell asleep and he wasn't able to get one.
• Him suggesting a time that is so late that it could be close to closing time or staff may not be surprised that someone may appear intoxicated as this guy "helps his friend, who's had a bit too much to drink get home safely".
• Him ordering the uber to drop her off at the pub so she didn't have to plan how to get there and home again or take time to look at a route and surroundings/public transport options.

Then/or, he thinks it's easier to drug her at his own home, hence the ridiculous story about his friend. Figures if he leaves her waiting at the pub that she'll have a few drinks and be more open to coming to his house (seeing as she is so far from home after a long uber ride and faces the prospect of the samw journey back). Wouldn't even be surprised if said friend was his wife (for a 3some) or another bloke that wants in on the sexual assault but more likely non-existent and part of the plan.

carelesser · 25/02/2024 10:55

PickledPurplePickle · 25/02/2024 10:44

I said she is batshit and I stick by it

it all sounded innocent enough and she completely over reacted

You’re talking as if anyone gives a shiny shit what you think.

BarbieDangerous · 25/02/2024 10:56

Fallenangelofthenorth · 25/02/2024 10:38

Why would OP, a lone female, in a city 30 minutes from home, leave the safety of a warm and presumably crowded bar to "pick them up"? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Please don't ever advise any women on your life on how to stay safe.

Did you actually read what I said? I said that’s what I thought he MEANT. Not that OP should follow his instructions because that’s okay. Who said I was advising anyone on how to stay safe? What are you actually talking about🤣

I said the guy’s weird and it makes no sense to bring someone else along to the ‘first date.’ Why are you people jumping me😂

tiredmama23 · 25/02/2024 10:56

"It all sounded innocent enough"

Dear god I despair for some women. I hope they're not online dating 😱

DeliciouslyDecadent · 25/02/2024 10:56

Needtonamechange9 · 25/02/2024 10:49

A few people have messaged me asking if I'm ok. I appreciate that! I went straight home, called a friend and we had a laugh about it. Definitely annoyed at my time being wasted. Lesson learned!

The responses are so mixed. I have thick skin, so don't take anything said personally. I don't believe I was OTT, unhinged etc. I'm happy I stuck with my gut. I think by the time he got back to me I was already too pissed off to be polite to him about his friend being round. The messages we've sent to each other prior to last night are SO DIFFERENT it would have made anyone think something was up.

Thank you to those checking in, it's really kind of you.

Pleased you are okay.

But look- if you are around his age- 40s- please read the guidance on meeting an online date.

It's probably on the websites- it used to be- on how to stay safe.

I've posted several times on your thread, so you can read it all there but basically don't meet any man so late, try to go for a coffee, don't accept them getting you a cab, and be super-careful of anything they tell you online.

You've already noticed his online chats are very different to how he behaves in person.

Stay SAFE.

Chocladore · 25/02/2024 10:57

Thanks for the update, OP.

You clearly did the right thing, ignore all those calling you batshit or weird! I think they’re the weird ones.

carelesser · 25/02/2024 10:58

DeliciouslyDecadent · 25/02/2024 10:56

Pleased you are okay.

But look- if you are around his age- 40s- please read the guidance on meeting an online date.

It's probably on the websites- it used to be- on how to stay safe.

I've posted several times on your thread, so you can read it all there but basically don't meet any man so late, try to go for a coffee, don't accept them getting you a cab, and be super-careful of anything they tell you online.

You've already noticed his online chats are very different to how he behaves in person.

Stay SAFE.

Oh FFS. OP did everything right, you don’t need to lecture her.

Dery · 25/02/2024 10:58

@Needtonamechange9 - the responses are mixed about the threesome thing. I think you laboured that point in your exchange with him and I think some people thought they were answering the question of “AIBU to think he wanted a threesome?”.

There are far fewer people who thought you were unreasonable to leave the date. You were right not to go to his place under any circumstances. My DH thinks the woman may have been invented to lull you into feeling safe to go round.

But please do read the full thread if you haven’t already. There were a lot of red flags to the situation even before his failure to turn up (talking for several weeks before date; meeting you late at night at a place near him; ordering you an Uber). I think you were already in an unsafe situation with this guy and there is some really good advice on this thread about how to make on-line dating safer.

I’m having trouble leaving this thread because I’m so alarmed by the dangerous nativity of a number of the women who are posting and who seem to think this guy is sweet.

willWillSmithsmith · 25/02/2024 10:59

Dery · 25/02/2024 10:48

@ZZGirl - the issue is that you’re trusting his messages and taking them at face value. But this is not a trustworthy or decent guy.

A decent guy doesn’t behave the way he behaved. To be honest, a decent guy doesn’t fix a date on the terms agreed in the first place. But having dragged OP to a bar near him for a late night date, the decent thing to do would have been to make sure he was there at the bar first. Instead he left OP sitting there alone while he (best case scenario) chatted with another woman at his place. That’s not okay.

Then he tried to get OP to his place. That’s not okay. The suggestion upthread that he meant OP should walk to his place to collect them - I mean, WTAF!? There is nothing about this that’s okay and it’s worrying that so many women seem to think he’s okay and to be trusted.

Edited

When it comes to men who are an unknown quantity to me I have always trusted my gut and remove myself if I get that ‘feeling’. Whether it’s right or wrong doesn’t matter, better to be safe than sorry.

tiredmama23 · 25/02/2024 11:00

Chocladore · 25/02/2024 10:57

Thanks for the update, OP.

You clearly did the right thing, ignore all those calling you batshit or weird! I think they’re the weird ones.

Agreed on all points!

ILikeItWhatIsIt · 25/02/2024 11:00

Reading the responses in support of this creep is genuinely worrying. Holy fuck you're brainwashed. I mean, have you met men??

I honestly thought that by 2024 women were making progress, but how can we be when so many of you are still thinking and behaving like simpering handmaidens. I hope none of you have daughters.

tryeverythingonce · 25/02/2024 11:01

Another thing bad faith actors do is take advantage of the sunk cost fallacy. If we've mentally committed to a date - by talking online for weeks, getting dressed up, going into town (especially if it's half an hour away) - then we're more likely to want to 'see it through'. Because otherwise we feel we've 'lost' the effort we've already put in.

This is how con artists more generally work - taking advantage of our cognitive biases.

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