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To have left this date.

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Needtonamechange9 · 24/02/2024 23:00

So I'm pretty certain I'm in the right.

I've been talking to this guy on the Bumble app for almost 2 months. Finally pinned down a date we could both meet (tonight).

I spent time getting ready and uberring 30 mins to see him and this is what happens. I'm the grey one.

I'm still in shock and on way home. If you read the rest of the messages from before today this guy seemed SO NORMAL!!!! Has a good job, kids.... WTF!!!!

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OP posts:
magentacloud · 25/02/2024 10:31

All this retroactive 'you shouldn't have done this, shouldn't have said that'...

It's pointless and unsupportive. OP set a boundary and protected herself. It doesn't matter if you imagine you wouldn't have said this or that, and she shouldn't have thought this or that - with this level of prissy naivety, and the way so many of you are trusting and defending and protecting the feelings of this clearly dodgy man, you'd have to count yourself lucky to not end up with your severed head in a cooking pot the second you set foot out of your house to 'date'.

tiredmama23 · 25/02/2024 10:32

If you’re going to keep dating, practise a graceful ‘sashay’. You were doing too way much.

Wtf??? A "graceful" what now?? OP called the weirdo out and rightly so, but now she's being advised to be "graceful" in the face of an absolute neon flashing walking red flag?? What am I reading.

AngelsandAliens · 25/02/2024 10:33

Windows98 · 25/02/2024 08:00

She didn’t say he wasn’t allowed female friends?
The language he is using is sloppy and indicative to that of sexual intentions.

No I totally agree , I think I read too much into thinking it was a threesome , actually reading other comments and thinking about it I really don’t even think there was a female friend there , so OP lucky escape .

ive not entered the world of online dating , and deffo think this all sounds a little sinister . I’m glad you went home x

daisybrown37 · 25/02/2024 10:36

I think leaving after he left you there and was late is fine. I think not going to his house is fine.

Jumping straight to him wanting a threesome is weird though.

tiredmama23 · 25/02/2024 10:36

magentacloud · 25/02/2024 10:31

All this retroactive 'you shouldn't have done this, shouldn't have said that'...

It's pointless and unsupportive. OP set a boundary and protected herself. It doesn't matter if you imagine you wouldn't have said this or that, and she shouldn't have thought this or that - with this level of prissy naivety, and the way so many of you are trusting and defending and protecting the feelings of this clearly dodgy man, you'd have to count yourself lucky to not end up with your severed head in a cooking pot the second you set foot out of your house to 'date'.

Agreed.

TerfTalking · 25/02/2024 10:37

YANBU leaving or calling him out on his appalling treatment of you.

Whilst I wouldn't have immediately jumped to the threesome, I think it's massively unacceptable that he wanted you to go to his place when you had never met and then have a "fun" evening whatever that was with some random friend of his, female or otherwise.

Are you all student age?

ChaToilLeam · 25/02/2024 10:37

I was on the fence about this, OP, but on further consideration, I think you were right to ditch this date.

He was late. He was messing you around and changing plans. He was asking you to come to his house when you don’t even know him. 🚩 You wanted to meet him, not him and his friend.

It’s possible that he was just flaky, but it’s also possible that he was manipulating you into a nasty situation. You were right to err on the side of caution. Either way it’s not good.

Fallenangelofthenorth · 25/02/2024 10:38

BarbieDangerous · 25/02/2024 10:26

When he said ‘do you want to come here, it’s 5 mins down the road and the 3 of us can meet together.’ I thought that he meant his place is only 5 mins from the location they’re going too so OP can meet at his house, ‘pick them up’ in a sense and then the 3 of them will go to the location together.

No clue why you’re swearing and getting so aggressive as I clearly said ‘why is there another person on the date, he’s a weirdo’….

Why would OP, a lone female, in a city 30 minutes from home, leave the safety of a warm and presumably crowded bar to "pick them up"? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Please don't ever advise any women on your life on how to stay safe.

willWillSmithsmith · 25/02/2024 10:38

magentacloud · 25/02/2024 10:31

All this retroactive 'you shouldn't have done this, shouldn't have said that'...

It's pointless and unsupportive. OP set a boundary and protected herself. It doesn't matter if you imagine you wouldn't have said this or that, and she shouldn't have thought this or that - with this level of prissy naivety, and the way so many of you are trusting and defending and protecting the feelings of this clearly dodgy man, you'd have to count yourself lucky to not end up with your severed head in a cooking pot the second you set foot out of your house to 'date'.

If nothing else hopefully this thread will ignite some gut instinct to some of these naive, too trusting women.

Also to add, the fact this man had no awareness or care to a woman’s safety is also a red flag and turn off. Any decent mature man would know the suggestion for a woman to come to his house that has two strangers in it is not acceptable imho.

ChildofSunday · 25/02/2024 10:38

Anybody else noticed that a lot of the poster telling OP she is ‘batshit’ ‘overreacting’ and ‘he dodged a bullet’ are similar type of username…. Mostly lower case and female names.
I think the dodgy bloke who blatantly wanted a threesome last night is on mumsnet!

IgnoranceNotOk · 25/02/2024 10:39

Lots of red flags:
letting you turn up to the bar when he wasn’t going to be there
Late because a friend has boyfriend issues
making a point of it being a female friend
inviting you straight to his when you’ve never met
Not just saying ‘sorry my friend is really upset, I’m so sorry I’m going to have to rearrange’
ignoring your message saying you’ve left and saying he’s arrived.

Please let us know if you hear anything from him today?
You did the right thing!

wronginalltherightways · 25/02/2024 10:39

Although I think you over-reacted re the 'threesome' accusations, I would have left, too.

I think he showed you he didn't value your time or effort or understand a woman's need to be safe.

I would not have gone to a stranger's house alone; a sensible man would have known not to ask that of you.

He actually told you he couldn't say no to a female 'friend', even if he had a commitment to meet you. And then kept trying to get you to 'come to them'. Hard no. Again, a sensible man wouldn't ask you to come to his house alone for a first meeting.

ZZGirl · 25/02/2024 10:40

GreenAppleCrumble · 25/02/2024 08:40

Very naïve. Please don’t advise your daughters/female friends about OLD.

Merely voicing the impression I got from the messages, just like everyone else and I'm not the only person to have suggested that the OP overreacted somewhat. So please don't advise me on how to advise in my life or on a public forum. Thankyou.

Thomasthe · 25/02/2024 10:42

Well done OP 👏 trust your instincts. The guy sounds like an absolute no righter. I despair at the amount of posters saying you are being unreasonable. Threesome or not there is something very off about how he acted.

followmyflow · 25/02/2024 10:42

what the heck is up with the responses on this thread? are the MRAs out today? taking the guy completely at face value when he was clearly talking nonsense, telling OP she ought to apologise….wtf?? this is insane behaviour from him for a first date. OP should have just blocked after the first message about the female friend and went home.

Cosycover · 25/02/2024 10:42

Fictional female friend would have left just before you got there.

Quite scary really. God knows what his intentions were. I'd 100% block.

willWillSmithsmith · 25/02/2024 10:43

ChildofSunday · 25/02/2024 10:38

Anybody else noticed that a lot of the poster telling OP she is ‘batshit’ ‘overreacting’ and ‘he dodged a bullet’ are similar type of username…. Mostly lower case and female names.
I think the dodgy bloke who blatantly wanted a threesome last night is on mumsnet!

I have wondered if these are actual women saying these things as surely they can’t be so unaware that some men give off dodgy vibes.

HRTQueen · 25/02/2024 10:43

No we women should shut up when others are giving poor advice 🙄

PickledPurplePickle · 25/02/2024 10:43

You sound batshit 😂

PickledPurplePickle · 25/02/2024 10:44

willWillSmithsmith · 25/02/2024 10:43

I have wondered if these are actual women saying these things as surely they can’t be so unaware that some men give off dodgy vibes.

I said she is batshit and I stick by it

it all sounded innocent enough and she completely over reacted

Fallenangelofthenorth · 25/02/2024 10:44

tiredmama23 · 25/02/2024 10:32

If you’re going to keep dating, practise a graceful ‘sashay’. You were doing too way much.

Wtf??? A "graceful" what now?? OP called the weirdo out and rightly so, but now she's being advised to be "graceful" in the face of an absolute neon flashing walking red flag?? What am I reading.

Quite! Screaming "rape: or 'help" is just so uncouth isn't it? When you could just give them a Paddington hard stare, and elegantly pirouette away 🙄😡

ItsallIeverwanted · 25/02/2024 10:45

I met my husband through an old-fashioned dating agency (do they still exist?) a couple of decades ago, I met lots of very nice men, but also got chatting to many of them during the dates (I didn't drink, they always did) and what I learned was that even though they were paying £££ to meet Ms Right, they would be happy with a shag as an outcome of the evening, and so tried it on with pretty much most of their dates in a kind of ask and see what you get way. Only one was pushy and put his hands on me and he got thrown out of the dating agency, unfortunately meeting men in the wild doesn't have these type of back ups.

For those saying that dating and meeting horrible men, is all about luck- this thread is an opportunity to learn about getting luckier, by avoiding them on day one.

The easiest way to tell if something is bullshit is do the 'sniff' test. So, in this instance, think about your 46 year old husband, or even your 46 year old self. How many times has a female friend come around to your house, your home (not called) because they were very upset about a boyfriend in the past 6 months? Called at the house? On a Sat night? Ok, so I know that's a nope, because I have a lot of female friends who go through crises regularly and none just turn up at my house, they would call me, and see me when I was available, even in a crisis. See also my grandma was in hospital and this left me unable to call you for days. Again, when your grandma has been very ill in hospital- how many times has this happened in the last, say 6 months, to the state you have been unable to use a mobile phone for many days? O

These stories are used because they make the person seem kind and sympathetic. Unfortunately, they are lies. Perhaps he has a female flatmate, or no friend, or a male friend. It doesn't matter, it's a lie.

If, by some miracle, you are the statistical outlier who happens to be going on a date (near him, 5 min from his house, paid for in an Uber by him, all red flags to file), and he needed to change the arrangements, he wouldn't say- hey come over anyway and we can have a fun night with my friend (while she is crying?), he would write this:

'Hi X', I'm so sorry but I don't think I can leave my friend, she's very distraught, I think I'm going to have to cancel. I am so so sorry, I know you have travelled to see me, and I really appreciate it. I will pay for your Uber back. I totally understand if you don't want to see me again as this is such a let down, but would it be ok if I contacted you again in a few days and suggested a daytime meeting somewhere convenient for you. Again, I am so sorry'

He wouldn't write, hey, my friend is still up for a fun night and music, come over!!!!

Seriously, even if you aren't intending to date, you need to be giving your teens good advice on how to keep safe and do fun dating, both your male and female teens- and some of the advice on here is unsafe and blind to some very common tropes in the dating scene.

I taught my girls to always go with their gut even if they can't put their finger on why or they might be wrong. Always remove yourself and then work it out. Be impolite, get off the bus, leave the house, don't just sit there being polite. Politeness is deadly for women.

DeliciouslyDecadent · 25/02/2024 10:45

ZZGirl · 25/02/2024 10:40

Merely voicing the impression I got from the messages, just like everyone else and I'm not the only person to have suggested that the OP overreacted somewhat. So please don't advise me on how to advise in my life or on a public forum. Thankyou.

But all those other posters were wrong as well.

If you put forward a counter argument, you have to accept that posters will also judge you and query your own standards of what is safe for online dating.

You're on a public forum passing comments. By inference, you're advising others what yo do with their own lives and safety.

Sendintheultrafrownz · 25/02/2024 10:45

Redcar78 · 25/02/2024 06:50

You've never met this man before but he engineered a situation to try get you to agree to go to his house alone, the plan was for you to think it's safe because another female was there. He was dodgy as fuck and you did right to follow your instincts.

Redcar has this spot on.

I don't think the woman was actually there, it's a classic way to make OP feel she'd be safe.

Isn't that how many of the girls went to J Epstein's house, guard was down because Ghislaine female?

OurfriendsintheNE · 25/02/2024 10:46

Poor guy’s dodged a bullet 🤣🤣🤣

YANBU to be annoyed at his flaking due to being a people pleaser and not telling the friend he was going out. YABU to accuse him of orchestrating a threesome or having sex with his friend because why else would you have a female friend in your house.

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