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To ask what your 'glass next to the dishwasher' moment was?

630 replies

Rosesareradish · 24/02/2024 21:23

Or is it the straw that broke the camels back?

I was working today, so I asked DP to get something out of the freezer to defrost for dinner. He was at home with the children, I was working until 6. At lunch time I text to say I would go to Aldi after work so I'd be late home.

I got home at 7.15, I unloaded the car and he put the shopping away. I went for a wee and said goodnight to the children. I then went in to the living room to ask what was for dinner. Nothing! He didn't get anything out of the freezer, he gave the children soup for tea and he had a nice sausage roll he'd bought.

No thought whatsoever to me eating. My irked face probably gave me away and he suggested I have cereal or cook something I'd just bought from Aldi.

AAAARGH.
AIBU to be so annoyed? I would never have left him without dinner after working. Especially if he then went and did the weekly shop afterwards (which he never does anyway..!)

OP posts:
Fedupofcommodes · 26/02/2024 06:41

@DaftyLass that isn't solely something that is a man job, you could have done it too.

Newestname002 · 26/02/2024 06:44

@neilyoungismyhero
@Winnading

While you plan your escape, and you really should escape, if you must cook for him, make it plain, boring and easy. If possible the exact same meal, every night, no changes. Make it cheap too then you can save money to get out quicker.

Yes @neilyoungismyhero do please consider this ^^ and enjoy the fact that he's being hoist on his own petard. I really hope you manage to get away from this life sucker. 🌹

Sweden99 · 26/02/2024 06:48

Bunnyhair · 25/02/2024 21:08

@Sweden99 I’m so glad someone else thinks that man is an insufferable twat. What really jumped out at me the first time I read that article was his utter fixation on his wife having sex with someone else as a result of the marriage failing. He couldn’t seem to leave that out of any mention of the separation. It always read to me loke ‘if you want to keep your irrational slag of a wife from putting it about hither thither and yon, just indulge her stupid game with the dishes. Women have this thing about being “cared about” - best just to play along for an easy life.’

There were good things written of him on this thread too, I just get a bad feeling so nothing I can really be certain of at all. I might be too touchy.
But assuming your partner is going to rush off with another partner and wanting to do the same, rather than have some time alone is a bad sign. If you are selfish in a relationship, you will rush into another, whereas if they take from you, then you will want a break. It might also show his unreasonable expectations of relationships and neediness that going to another relationship immiediately seems a clearly good thing.
But i am perhaps being very unfair, just red flags rather than proof.

Newestname002 · 26/02/2024 07:01

mondaytosunday · 25/02/2024 16:57

My husband had his flaws but he was generous to a fault, did all the cooking at weekends and cleaned up after. He had an extremely stressful job and worked well over 60 hours a week but never moaned about it.
He didn't do much housework, but was very tidy and paid for a weekly cleaner.
A friend, however, is a slave to her husband and (male) adult kids. Since I've known her there have been dozens of 'last straw' incidents to my mind, but she is far too forgiving. But this last example should really show her how much she is valued:
Her mother died last week and she went to stay with her father to support him and help with arrangements. He is mid 80s and not very mobile. She left her dog at home, asking her husband and son, who both WFH, to walk him etc. She came back four days later to a sink full of dishes (they have a dishwasher) and dog pee and poo in the house. No food in - the first thing she did (after cleaning the mess) was go out shopping. One of the first things they asked her was to make some coffee and what was for dinner. She told me this and just shrugged shoulders. Her sons treat her just as their father does, and she lets them.

Poor woman, but foolish too. She accepts this disgusting entitled behaviour by these males in her life, none of whom who see her as a real person who needs their love and support, let alone respect and she just shrugs her shoulders and lets them. This is the rest of her life. Things will never change unless she changes them, sadly. 🌹

Ifulikepinacoladas · 26/02/2024 07:27

swimsong · 25/02/2024 22:18

No one is talking about deal breakers though. What do you understand the phrase "The straw that broke the camel's back" to mean?

Exactly. Posters are giving their last straw moment. Whether any one else thinks it is a deal breaker or not is irrelevant.

Ramalangadingdong · 26/02/2024 07:50

MeTooOverHere · 25/02/2024 22:55

Blender cup part doesn't bugger up, it just gets washed. The blender parts that need washing come apart for washing. The mechanism that doesn't come apart doesn't need washing. Most it needs is a wipe over.

my blender cup/jug doesn’t come apart like that. I have to wash it by hand (or put water and a bit of soap in then blend) so perhaps some do and some don’t.

Moonshine5 · 26/02/2024 08:27

@Pixiedust1234 good luck and to all you women that are summoning the courage, biding your time, saving up etc to LTB

Pinkdaffodils900 · 26/02/2024 08:50

Everything I did was wrong, always. At one point he told me I should never make any decisions without talking to him because I didn't think things through, and my self esteem was so low at this point that I just accepted it. 'You never think' was a common refrain when I did anything that displeased him, which could be something as inconsequential as smiling at someone. Nearly a decade later and I am happily married to a wonderful man but I still panic if I get something wrong, like if dinner isn't perfect, and say 'sorry, I never think.' Luckily DH knows where that comes from and is always ready with a cuddle. God it terrifies me what I was willing to settle for before, not knowing what healthy relationship looked like (I watched my mum ignore a million 'glass by the dishwasher' moments as I grew up.)

I'm ashamed to say I never left him, he dumped me by text when he failed to sever the close bond I had with my mum and sisters and I was heartbroken at the time as he'd done such a number on me. But I can remember a moment when he angrily criticised me for apparently walking too heavily and disturbing people - it was the middle of the day, I was the lightest I've ever been in my adult life because he had me on one of those VLCD programmes and there was a load of traffic noise anyway. I didn't leave, but that was the moment I realised he just enjoyed being cruel.

Bunnyhair · 26/02/2024 09:00

Sweden99 · 26/02/2024 06:48

There were good things written of him on this thread too, I just get a bad feeling so nothing I can really be certain of at all. I might be too touchy.
But assuming your partner is going to rush off with another partner and wanting to do the same, rather than have some time alone is a bad sign. If you are selfish in a relationship, you will rush into another, whereas if they take from you, then you will want a break. It might also show his unreasonable expectations of relationships and neediness that going to another relationship immiediately seems a clearly good thing.
But i am perhaps being very unfair, just red flags rather than proof.

I think it’s fair enough to have a bad feeling. We can all have our opinions, right? The content of what he says is sound (care about what matters to your partner if you want the relationship to survive) but some of us also picked up a nasty vibe - and I think the picking up of vibes is absolutely vital to establishing whether you trust someone and what you think about their motivations.

IMakeCrapCakes · 26/02/2024 09:20

I didn't leave straight away (more fool me) but a pivotal moment for me was when we were out with her estranged teenaged daughter for dinner. I was working fulltime, DP only did 'odd jobs' so I supported all three of us but my SD had kept running away to hang around with unsavoury characters-hers and DP's relationship hadn't been harmonious. One day I got in from work and it was sunny and they both seemed happy so I suggested we walked up to the local and I'd treat us all to dinner and a couple of drinks. Ex DP was really annoyed at the suggestion, SD was excited and happy at it and really wanted to go. As we set off, DP gave me that 'look' and said 'Just remember, I didn't want to go.

I said something about how nice it was to see them together and happy again (I didn't make an emphasis, we'd just been having casual conversation up until then). DP shouted something awful at me and stormed off.

I apologised to SD, put myhand on hers and said 'Don't worry, we'll sort it out'. SD said 'Cakes, please take your hand off mine, if (ex) sees it'll cause an argument.

I learned later that ex was jealous of my ability to deal with SD, and my calmness, and that I'd come home from work and wanted to do something nice with my family, to ex she saw as 'me taking over'.

I have learned a lot of lessons from that relationship.

Of the blog that this thread references, I agree it isn't everyone's preferred style and nothing is. But I wonder if, having read the full blog rather than the one article, some posters may change their mind about the writer. Matt isn't someone I'd say I am friends with of course, but me and him have spoken numerous times as I have asked his permission to use his blog in my work (I teach counselling students). He is indeed very remorseful about his ways in his marriage. His overall attitude to the whole situation is he was brought up in a way to believe he was right and good and that a good man is a good husband-he has now learned that good men can be bad husbands-a husband is a job and has to be done well, and this includes respecting that your wife's needs are important, even if they do not directly gel with yours.

'Mustbethistalltoride' is a good read, although it made me cry at times! And it sent me down a rabbithole of various other interesting blogs that Matt speaks about in it.

carelesser · 26/02/2024 09:21

TheLeadbetterLife · 25/02/2024 23:07

The point is this is bollocks. She probably left him because he's a tedious, self-important prick, not because he left a glass on the side*

*his version: didn't indulge his little woman's irrational quirks

I think you're being a bit glib. The glass was just one example. His other unreasonable behaviours that he lists:

"I just have to understand and respect that she DOES

  • Then, caring about her = putting the glass in the dishwasher.
  • Caring about her = keeping your laundry off the floor.
  • Caring about her = thoughtfully not tracking dirt or whatever on the floor she worked hard to clean.
  • Caring about her = taking care of kid-related things so she can just chill out for a little bit and not worry about anything.
  • Caring about her = “Hey babe. Is there anything I can do today or pick up on my way home that will make your day better?”
  • Caring about her = a million little things that say “I love you” more than speaking the words ever can."
Atethehalloweenchocs · 26/02/2024 09:25

Couldnt agree more @Bunnyhair. We all take something different from what we read. My take away was a message to men that if you are in a relationship, what you think and care about is not the only thing that is important. But clearly other people saw other things, for whatever reason, which is fine. The Gottman stuff is interesting too, and I really do think that most men I know have no clue how much they dismiss the opinions and views of the women in their lives.

Ramalangadingdong · 26/02/2024 09:29

Atethehalloweenchocs · 26/02/2024 09:25

Couldnt agree more @Bunnyhair. We all take something different from what we read. My take away was a message to men that if you are in a relationship, what you think and care about is not the only thing that is important. But clearly other people saw other things, for whatever reason, which is fine. The Gottman stuff is interesting too, and I really do think that most men I know have no clue how much they dismiss the opinions and views of the women in their lives.

I haven't read the article, but the fact that it even has to exist speaks volumes.

GlassMug · 26/02/2024 09:44

I've just bobbed back in to say this.
If you're being abused in any way, please, please get out.
I know you may be frightened of what the future may hold if you leave, especially if you have children, or you may not feel confident enough to go, but there are organisations out there that will help you.
Please don't feel that you have to put up with it, you don't.
Taking that first step towards freedom is the hardest thing you will ever do, but once you've taken that step, the rest of the steps will get easier because your confidence and self belief will grow with every step you take after.
Think of it as being very overweight and wanting to go to the gym, but the thought of stepping through the door puts you off, so you don't, but once you've actually bitten the bullet and stepped through, you realise it's actually not as scary as you thought and you're actually enjoying it.
So I ask anyone, from the bottom of my heart, if you're being abused in any way, or just miserable in your relationship, please get out.
You deserve better.

VictoriaEra · 26/02/2024 09:59

Arranging a huge 40th birthday party for myself for all our family and friends. It was the first and last party I ever had. Lots of family and friends with games and bouncy castles for the children. H took 8 hours of video recordings - the old type of camera that recorded to cassettes - and the aim was to reduce it to two hours. Something for the children to keep. When he played the two hour recording - I wasn't on it at all. Everyone else was - mainly his family. I went through the whole 8 hours and I didn't feature once. He had even wandered off to film the beautiful gardens during my speech!

CutthroatDruTheViolent · 26/02/2024 10:05

Boomer1964 · 25/02/2024 07:01

So many MNetters leaving their children without a father in their lives over such minor issues. I also note you don't ask if you do something that OH doesn't like?

I know this was yesterday (and probably loads of people have said this) - but if the father chooses to not step up because he and the mother of the children are not together, this is not her fault. It is HIM that is leaving them without a father.

Anyway, away back to read the rest of the thread now!

HellonHeels · 26/02/2024 10:12

VictoriaEra · 26/02/2024 09:59

Arranging a huge 40th birthday party for myself for all our family and friends. It was the first and last party I ever had. Lots of family and friends with games and bouncy castles for the children. H took 8 hours of video recordings - the old type of camera that recorded to cassettes - and the aim was to reduce it to two hours. Something for the children to keep. When he played the two hour recording - I wasn't on it at all. Everyone else was - mainly his family. I went through the whole 8 hours and I didn't feature once. He had even wandered off to film the beautiful gardens during my speech!

Bloody hell 😱 I do hope you LTB? Couldn't make it more clear that you're there just to play a support role in his life.

TheLeadbetterLife · 26/02/2024 10:23

carelesser · 26/02/2024 09:21

I think you're being a bit glib. The glass was just one example. His other unreasonable behaviours that he lists:

"I just have to understand and respect that she DOES

  • Then, caring about her = putting the glass in the dishwasher.
  • Caring about her = keeping your laundry off the floor.
  • Caring about her = thoughtfully not tracking dirt or whatever on the floor she worked hard to clean.
  • Caring about her = taking care of kid-related things so she can just chill out for a little bit and not worry about anything.
  • Caring about her = “Hey babe. Is there anything I can do today or pick up on my way home that will make your day better?”
  • Caring about her = a million little things that say “I love you” more than speaking the words ever can."

What self-respecting person, man or woman, doesn't do these things simply because they're the bare minimum in a functioning household?

His framing is all wrong - you don't take off muddy shoes, pick up laundry and parent your child to stop your wife leaving (implication: these things are women's jobs and only women care about them), you do them because you're a fucking adult.

I get the same feeling from this article that I do when I read about those god awful love languages. It's self-declared gurus stating the bloody obvious, framed like they're Moses coming down the mountain.

TheBayLady · 26/02/2024 10:27

DreamTheMoors · 25/02/2024 20:54

My former husband never ever cooked a meal, never ever did a shop, never ever washed a dish, never ever washed a single load of clothes, never ever hoovered or mopped or dusted, but he did manage, as a pilot, to impregnate a stewardess.
Men. Can’t kill ‘em, can’t toss ‘em off an airplane at 30,000 feet.

We women need to look at ourselves and ask why the fuck we allow this to happen, why we allow this to go on. We should be ditching them within the first month if they want a housekeeper.

ConsistentlyElectrifiedElves · 26/02/2024 10:58

My ex went away on business for a week.

To be honest, that's all he needed to do.

It was in that week that I realised how much I absolutely loved the calmness, being on my own and was dreading him returning. The house was so much tidier too, despite him always suggesting it was me that was the messy one.

We broke up the following week and I spent the next 10 years living blissfully on my own before agreeing to move in with my now DH. Now, although I love it when he goes out for an evening and I can have a bit of time to myself, I can't imagine living on my own again.

Pixiedust1234 · 26/02/2024 10:58

TheLeadbetterLife · 26/02/2024 10:23

What self-respecting person, man or woman, doesn't do these things simply because they're the bare minimum in a functioning household?

His framing is all wrong - you don't take off muddy shoes, pick up laundry and parent your child to stop your wife leaving (implication: these things are women's jobs and only women care about them), you do them because you're a fucking adult.

I get the same feeling from this article that I do when I read about those god awful love languages. It's self-declared gurus stating the bloody obvious, framed like they're Moses coming down the mountain.

His framing is all wrong - you don't take off muddy shoes, pick up laundry and parent your child to stop your wife leaving (implication: these things are women's jobs and only women care about them), you do them because you're a fucking adult.

Thank you. I understood the basic reasoning of that article and thought it quite good in a broad sense but I could never put my finger on why it also unsettled me.

VictoriaEra · 26/02/2024 11:01

HellonHeels · 26/02/2024 10:12

Bloody hell 😱 I do hope you LTB? Couldn't make it more clear that you're there just to play a support role in his life.

Thank you. I definitely did leave a year or so later.

Sweden99 · 26/02/2024 11:13

TheLeadbetterLife · 26/02/2024 10:23

What self-respecting person, man or woman, doesn't do these things simply because they're the bare minimum in a functioning household?

His framing is all wrong - you don't take off muddy shoes, pick up laundry and parent your child to stop your wife leaving (implication: these things are women's jobs and only women care about them), you do them because you're a fucking adult.

I get the same feeling from this article that I do when I read about those god awful love languages. It's self-declared gurus stating the bloody obvious, framed like they're Moses coming down the mountain.

Yes, I read some more of his stuff and I agree (man, to be clear, so I will be missing things).
It reminds me of 'Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus' or too many male feminists. Be utterly vile and abusive, then lower it to be mildly abusive and declare themselves saints amongst men.

MsMarch · 26/02/2024 11:23

This is actually the inverse of the straw that broke the camel's back moment. I've told it on here before.

DH is a good man, does his bit and always tries hard etc . But, like many men, he'd just been socialised to prioritise himself and just not THINK about other people. And, nicely, he's a white South African man so that's x10....

He was training for his first marathon and he was getting to that point where you need to do a few long runs a week. Fine. But it got more and more invasive - the night before a big training run, he couldn't do any of the night wakings with baby DS (terrible sleeper), nor could he get up early with him, even if I'd had a tough night. Then, he'd faff around because inevitably, he'd go to bed too late so wouldn't land up getting out of bed until about 8, then with all the faffing, he wouldn't leave until 10 etc etc.

One day, he walked through the door at 14:00 or so. He'd gone on a 3 hour run, but had got lost so landed up walking for an hour to get home after having left late as he couldn't drag himself out of bed.

I'd had a tough night with DS, had been up with him since 5am or something like that, and was sitting on the floor in the lounge as he walked in. I just looked at him - I'd been literally left holding the baby for 9 hours so he could train for a marathon.

It was like a switch went off in his head. Not only did he start getting up at the crack of dawn for marathon training so he was home by about 10, he realised how he'd slipped into this world where he did what he wanted and if I wanted "help" with DS, I asked him.

I suspect that day saved our marriage!

SpeedyDrama · 26/02/2024 11:36

Mine wasn’t a single definitive moment, but a death of a thousand cuts. They were from the small things to what I now realise were very unsavoury behaviours.

Couldn’t cook (not even boil pasta), but always did the dishes. By ‘do the dishes’ meant leaving them until the last minute, taking half an hour to wash whilst watching something on his phone and getting highly irritated if our young children dared wander into the kitchen whilst taking on this enormous task. Only washed them, never cleaned around the kitchen or even the sink after. When cooking I had to entertain the children as he was on his phone ignoring them.

Did zero self grooming. Once threw a tantrum because I asked him to brush his hair before an online interview (during Covid). He apparently didn’t know how to use a brush, because he was a man and why would he need to know.

Eventually stopped washing and brushing his teeth altogether unless I asked (begged) him to. Did not understand why I stopped being physically affectionate/having sex with him.

Complained I was always tired. We have children with additional needs, one is high needs. Went through a phase of not sleeping more than three hours a night and was near uncontrollable when awake. I was on the verge of a sleep deprived breakdown, he never got up with him during the night as he had to work. When I asked for him to at least get up on the weekends for me to get some catch up sleep, he moaned and grumbled about how unfair it was. The kids were left to be loud, jump on me etc so I had to get up anyway. We slept in separate beds due to his snoring, so he always had a good 8 hours unbroken sleep every night.

Never suggested things to do as a family, never booked a trip or set dates for visits (not even to see his own family). Never wanted to leave the house, only to go to work or pop to the shop. Never paid for anything he didn’t absolutely have to (not even for what our children needed). Never wanted to go on holiday as they were ‘pointless’. Just an absolute bore with little ambition unless someone pushed him.

Hit and kicked walls/chairs when I ‘made him angry’ (see: brought up anything I was fed up of).

Was highly inappropriate about sex. Didn’t give me leeway on recovering from birth, nagged and touched me up from about two weeks after and I gave in before 6 weeks every time just to be left alone. Constantly touching me inappropriately at all times. Once initiated sex when his mum was visiting and playing with the kids downstairs. Makes me feel sick to this day.

Terrible with bills, not that couldn’t pay them, just kept thinking if he didn’t bother setting up a DD then a bill simply didn’t exist. Got into constant financial trouble/bailiffs at the door. One of the last straw moments was watching him pitifully sat on the floor, half crying as another company was chasing him for money (I had taken on half the bills despite having much less money and he still wasn’t paying).

There are probably a million things I forgot, but being stuck with him all day every day during COVID was definitely what made me think ‘this cannot be my fucking life forever’. Any time I’d brought up having enough before, he’d always say ‘and how will you cope without me? You can’t look after the kids alone, you can’t afford your own place and I won’t pay for you’.

It took a year, but I worked my finances out and had enough to put a deposit on a rental. He pays me a pittance every month and still doing the same shit of not paying his own bills. He’s also in some sort of bizarre denial about our breakup, and seems to flip between pretending it didn’t happen or that eventually I’ll see ‘sense’ that we’re meant to be together. All I have to do is stop nagging and let ‘the little things’ go and we’ll live happily ever after 🤣. I say I’d rather glue a cactus to a space hopper and ride it bare-fanny to Australia than get back with him (or any man at this point).

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