To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

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Scarlet Blake has been found guilty of murder. He also tortured and killed a cat.

He is not a woman.

This shouldn't be reported as a woman's crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

"Preferred pronouns" are reality destabilising LIES.

For me no. I've always used pronouns based on sex. So has everyone else, historically, as far as I can see. After all we use them for babies, animals - who cannot be said to have a 'gender identity'.

So when did that change? And why was there no discussion about it?

In any event, what's the logic behind some people using preferred pronouns (press) and others not (victims)? If we don't actually think these men are women, why are we mangling language on their orders?

They still retain their male pattern violence don't they? The truth in the form of their behaviour will always betray them.

The bbc and the rest of the media apparently cares what 'gender' this man identifies as. I don't give a shit about his gender. His sex however, is a different matter. How the crime is reported, where he has to serve his sentence.

His 'gender' may have been helpful in luring the poor victim to his death though, so I suppose it may be significant.

(And in case the pronoun police feel inclined to report any posts for 'misgendering', mn guidelines allow us to use correct sex pronouns for individuals primarily known for serious crimes)

She isn’t a women. She’s a psychopath. A male psychopath.

For me the correct pronouns are what an individual prefers, be it he/she/they.

'I identify as African American. I therefore feel eligible to apply for a job in a civil rights organisation representing the interests of this group which is reserved (legally) for applicants of African American heritage.'

This happened - Google Rachel Dolezal. Would it have been respectful to refer to her as African American, in line with her preference, even though it emerged that she was white with no African American heritage whatsoever, and had altered her appearance to make herself look darker skinned and to make her naturally curly hair a bit frizzier? Or would it have been better to listen to the people who really were African American, who were outraged that she had taken it on herself to speak for them and had taken a job meant for one of their number to that end?

I've got more examples of people who self-identify as things they are not, if they should be needed. I can't understand why we are pandering to them. They are either deluded or dishonest or both. In the past most of us would have had no hesitation in saying so. I'd like to get back to those times.

Sorry @noctilucentcloud thats bollocks.

Sex based pronouns are accurate.

Some people are prepared to offer preferred pronouns as a courtesy, despite them being inaccurate.

This man does not deserve courtesy.

For me, the logic is that it is highly traumatising giving a statement and that it doesn't need to be made any more difficult for the victim than it already is. A person isn't led through their statement/evidence, it is in their own words and how they experienced it.

That is different to the press or others.

I also don't agree with the history argument in a lot of respects, things we once thought of as straight forward and correct no longer are. For example in the UK, same sex relationships were seen as unnatural in the past and were illegal. I don't think it's as simple as there are males and females and that's it.

Ah so you believe that trans women are women.

You believe that Scarlett Blake is a woman.

So do you think he should be in a woman's prison then? Because that's the logical position of your argument.

Good

Plus agree reporting should be accurate

That article doesn't state she's a trans woman until the third section of the article. It should be the second word. "A transwoman".

I don't think it's as simple as there are males and females and that's it.

It is that simple.

Sex in humans in binary and immutable

There are two sexes. Humans cannot change sex.

What else is there? Male, female and... Sperm, ova and....

Sex is binary.

But there's no logic to this at all. Either they are female or they're not. It's not a shades of grey situation.

So if a compelled falsehood is traumatic for someone there's a reason for that. At the heart of it is that it's a compelled falsehood. It shouldn't be expected of anyone.

The same sex relationship isn't a good comparison either. That shifted because society got behind it, and that was because people saw the benefit to society overall. There was lots of debate and eventually a majority behind it.

This situation has been the exact opposite. 'No debate' was a definite feature. People haven't been brought along with the argument, they've been bludgeoned into submission. Crucially, identifying 'TW' as women
has huge down sides for society, notably the impact it is currently having on women's rights.

That’s exactly what I said in my bbc complaint. It’s just straight up lies otherwise. They know what they are doing too, liars. They know it keeps people reading because it’s such an unusual crime for an actual woman.

For example in the UK, same sex relationships were seen as unnatural in the past and were illegal. I don't think it's as simple as there are males and females and that's it.

Is there a logical connection between these two sentences, because I'm not seeing it? Prejudice against those who are same-sex attracted is totally different from people with gender issues. The two issues have been coupled together in spite of having little common ground. This has been detrimental to many gay men and especially lesbians because they are now told that their sexual orientation should relate to gender identity, not sex, and that leads to lesbians told it's bigoted not to consider dating transwomen, who are male. Spot the difference from the old trope that a woman identifying as lesbian just hadn't met the right man yet.

Biologically, right across all the mammals there really are just males and females, and that's it. Some people (a very small number) have disorders or differences of sexual development that make it difficult to observe at birth what sex they are, or later on they don't go through puberty in the way that would be expected based on their outward appearance. These are medical conditions. From the point of view of sexual reproduction, there are only two gametes, eggs and sperm, and humans (and all the other mammals) have bodies arranged around producing one or the other. No healthy human has ever been able to produce both gametes.

Socially, every society has some degree of sexual stereotyping. Some people struggle with this. The answer there is not to agree they must really have the wrong body to match their brain - what would that even mean? The brain is part of the body. We should be fighting the stereotypes.

I don't think it's as simple as there are males and females and that's it.

So what's the extra complexity?

I was just reading the article thinking how it's so rare to see a women kill a random man. Read a bit further and then it made more sense. Yanbu

It's frightening that there are so many people commenting that this is the first they've heard that this was a man! Not the people who have said that's fault obviously... it's a very, very poor indictment of the rigour of the press isn't it? Pure propaganda, serving a narrative and not the truth.

It's grim.

And for every person who thinks ‘hmm that’s a bit odd…oh of course it’s one of those new women’, there will be thousands that don’t make the connection. It’s infuriating we can be lied to so blatantly.

It's a good point - did Jorge know Scarlet was a man? We'll never know, I suppose.

The Oxford Mail was reporting this as though he was a woman until a few days ago. Since then it has been clear he is a transwoman although they are frustratingly still using female pronouns.

Yanbu
Complaint put in. The fact is that men commit the vast proportion of violent crime. Women commit very few, especially at this level of seriousness. Therefore any 'news' like this massively skews people's perceptions of how dangerous women are versus how dangerous men are.

I’m absolutely raging - this from the Times. The Times!

of course they’ve closed off comments

Woman who live-streamed cat killing found guilty of murdering man

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d345a0f1-b47a-442a-b9b6-4f241c00f0d4?shareToken=f9479063106fc16204e1f0528ffdcc7b

Being called “she” is not a reward for performing femininity, FFS.

Call yourself whatever you like, but do not compel others to play along with your rejection of reality.

The first thing witnesses are asked to do in court is to swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And then they’re expected to lie that the 6’ man in front of them is a woman, and potentially threatened with contempt of court if they don’t refer to him as “she” and “her” (as happened to a victim in a rape case). Why should we believe the rest of their evidence, or believe that the administration of justice will proceed fairly, transparently and without bias, when the court has sanctioned lying under oath, all because a transwoman judge wrote the Equal Treatment Bench Book?