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To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

795 replies

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 15:42

Scarlet Blake has been found guilty of murder. He also tortured and killed a cat.

He is not a woman.

This shouldn't be reported as a woman's crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

Scarlet Blake

Cat killer Scarlet Blake found guilty of murdering Jorge Martin Carreno

Jorge Martin Carreno was pulled from a river after being killed by Scarlet Blake in 2021.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

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ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 17:08

Yes. Re risk assessment:

Another case that is relevant: Andrew Miller/Amy George, who abducted and abused a girl in Scotland, convicted last year. Judge's comments:

'The mode of abduction itself is also in my view a significantly aggravating feature, if any were needed in such a case, and here to speak plainly I am referring to your female presentation as you invited your victim into your car. One only has to ask oneself the simple question: would an 11 year old girl have willingly entered your car had you presented as a man? The answer is that obviously she would not.'

(Content warning, CSA, graphic descriptions)

https://judiciary.scot/home/sentences-judgments/sentences-and-opinions/2023/10/18/hma-v-andrew-miller

The Miller case was also subject to obfuscatory reporting - thread on here was deleted; he was reported as a man and at first no mention was made of the fact that he was transgender.

HMA v Andrew Miller

https://judiciary.scot/home/sentences-judgments/sentences-and-opinions/2023/10/18/hma-v-andrew-miller

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Waffleson · 23/02/2024 17:08

Well at least the judge spelt out to the jury that this is a transgender woman. But I think many members of the public will have read the headlines and thought "how could a woman do this". It's just ridiculous and we are now at the point where if you see a woman reported as having carried out a violent or sexual crime, your first thought is "oh it must be a transperson". Which of course may not be the case.

QuirkyKhakiCat · 23/02/2024 17:08

this really upsets me. What totally despicable and horrific crimes this person - this man-has committed. The least we can do is record them correctly and make sure they are punished appropriately
these are crimes committed by a man, and should be clearly labelled and recorded as such

DuesToTheDirt · 23/02/2024 17:11

Pinkfrlls · 23/02/2024 16:07

Who cares what gender they are? I'm horrified by that cruel sadistic behaviour. It wouldn't be any better if it was done by a person of a different gender.

Yes, it's a horrible crime, and it's in no way a woman's crime - torturing and killing a cat, then going on to find a victim on the streets, and murdering a complete stranger. I find it very offensive that the word "woman" is being used to describe this nasty piece of shit.

It also matters for crime data - who commits what crimes, and where? Who poses a risk, and to who? How can we reduce crime? What prisons should they go in? Calling him a woman is A FUCKING LIE and it's time the lying stopped.

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 17:12

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/23/cat-killing-woman-guilty-murdering-man-oxford-scarlet-blake-jorge-martin-carreno

The Guardian perfectly respects the genders of Scarlet Blake and Ashlynn Bell.

Guardian readers will be absolutely unaware that either of them are male.

“He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.”

Cat-killing woman guilty of murdering man as he walked home in Oxford

Scarlet Blake, 26, brutally attacked Jorge Martin Carreno, 30, and left him to drown in July 2021

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/23/cat-killing-woman-guilty-murdering-man-oxford-scarlet-blake-jorge-martin-carreno

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takemeawayagain · 23/02/2024 17:20

Not only does he think he's a woman, apparently he also thinks he's a cat FFS.

'During her evidence, Blake claimed she had a fragmented personality, which included being a cat, and miaowed at the jury to show how she would interact with friends.
“With friends I know quite well who are aware of this part of me I miaow at them in greeting,” she said.'

LibbyLemoncake · 23/02/2024 17:24

takemeawayagain · 23/02/2024 17:20

Not only does he think he's a woman, apparently he also thinks he's a cat FFS.

'During her evidence, Blake claimed she had a fragmented personality, which included being a cat, and miaowed at the jury to show how she would interact with friends.
“With friends I know quite well who are aware of this part of me I miaow at them in greeting,” she said.'

Well that’s one fucking cat that needs to be in a blender balls first. 😡🤬😡🤬😡

Socoldhoney · 23/02/2024 17:26

takemeawayagain · 23/02/2024 17:20

Not only does he think he's a woman, apparently he also thinks he's a cat FFS.

'During her evidence, Blake claimed she had a fragmented personality, which included being a cat, and miaowed at the jury to show how she would interact with friends.
“With friends I know quite well who are aware of this part of me I miaow at them in greeting,” she said.'

So while human blake kills humans and while cat Blake kills cats?

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 17:27

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 17:12

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/23/cat-killing-woman-guilty-murdering-man-oxford-scarlet-blake-jorge-martin-carreno

The Guardian perfectly respects the genders of Scarlet Blake and Ashlynn Bell.

Guardian readers will be absolutely unaware that either of them are male.

“He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.”

And the Guardian isn't regulated by Ipsos.

Complaints can be made to the Reader's Editor:

https://www.theguardian.com/info/complaints-and-corrections

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GrandDuchessOfBillericay · 23/02/2024 17:29

PonyPatter44 · 23/02/2024 16:42

Scarlet Blake was on remand (i.e. not convicted) in a mens prison.

I completely agree with you that only a tiny minority of offending men are ever charged or convicted. However, the ones that are remanded will go to male prisons. The prison service may use their preferred names and even pronouns, and let them buy lipstick on the canteen, but they won't be going to womens jails.

So shit, but not as shit as it was.

Not good enough.

DontWasteMyTime · 23/02/2024 17:30

HE is a MAN, a thoroughly nasty one at that. HE should go to a prison for MEN and be at the mercy of other violent bastards in there.

WomaninBoots · 23/02/2024 17:33

Who the actual fuck is saying that the OP is being unreasonable?

Go and have a word with yourselves you absolute vacuums.

Stillamum3 · 23/02/2024 17:34

Have complained to the BBC - better get on to the Guardian now! I feel so insulted by this! I really cannot understand why they don't report the FACTS!

LibbyLemoncake · 23/02/2024 17:36

Who the hell are the 7% who think YABU? Show yourselves.

noctilucentcloud · 23/02/2024 17:36

I have no issue with Scarlett being referred to as a transgender woman or the female pronouns being used for her. I think the press (and judge) are right to report in this way. It is a basic respect shown to all transgender people. What pronouns the press (or judge) use is a separate issue to whether she should be housed in a male or female jail. I believe as she's been in a male centre on remand and it was a violent crime she'll be housed in a male prison to ensure the safety of vulnerable women prisoners. I think that is correct. I also think that they will record all sorts of information for crime statistics including gender, sex, race, age etc to get a the best understanding of crime possible.

GrandDuchessOfBillericay · 23/02/2024 17:37

noctilucentcloud · 23/02/2024 17:36

I have no issue with Scarlett being referred to as a transgender woman or the female pronouns being used for her. I think the press (and judge) are right to report in this way. It is a basic respect shown to all transgender people. What pronouns the press (or judge) use is a separate issue to whether she should be housed in a male or female jail. I believe as she's been in a male centre on remand and it was a violent crime she'll be housed in a male prison to ensure the safety of vulnerable women prisoners. I think that is correct. I also think that they will record all sorts of information for crime statistics including gender, sex, race, age etc to get a the best understanding of crime possible.

What about respect to the victim?

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 17:38

noctilucentcloud · 23/02/2024 17:36

I have no issue with Scarlett being referred to as a transgender woman or the female pronouns being used for her. I think the press (and judge) are right to report in this way. It is a basic respect shown to all transgender people. What pronouns the press (or judge) use is a separate issue to whether she should be housed in a male or female jail. I believe as she's been in a male centre on remand and it was a violent crime she'll be housed in a male prison to ensure the safety of vulnerable women prisoners. I think that is correct. I also think that they will record all sorts of information for crime statistics including gender, sex, race, age etc to get a the best understanding of crime possible.

Well, they don't. This will be recorded as a 'female' crime. The police record according to self ID'd gender, not GRC or sex.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/police_record_males_as_female/

UK police record male rapists as female under self-ID policy • Fair Play For Women

Police now record self-declared gender identity instead of birth sex; even when the crime is rape. Transgender status is only if the person is a victim of transgender hate crime. We can reveal...

https://fairplayforwomen.com/police_record_males_as_female

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 23/02/2024 17:38

What about respect to material reality?

LibbyLemoncake · 23/02/2024 17:38

I have no issue with Scarlett being referred to as a transgender woman or the female pronouns being used for her. I think the press (and judge) are right to report in this way. It is a basic respect shown to all transgender people

HE lost that respect when he tortured the cat and killed a man 🤬😡🤬

SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 23/02/2024 17:40

I got as far as "Scarlet, also known as Alice, of Crotch Crescent..." and lost my cool, shouted loud enough to set the dog off.

This is utterly bereft and yes, I'll be complaining about as many as I can find

Kalevala · 23/02/2024 17:41

MenopauseSucks · 23/02/2024 16:27

The Telegraph has referred to Blake as 'she' throughout their article, used 'transgender cat killer' as well but at no point did they mention him being a woman.

HOWEVER they quoted Judge Chamberlain from his summing up on Thursday:
'You know the defendant is a transgender woman - in other words someone who was identified as male at birth and then transitioned to live as a woman.
The fact she is trans on its own has no particular relevance to this case. It doesn't make it any more or less likely that she is guilty of the offence with which she is charged.
He added that jurors were however allowed to consider her 'stature' and whether they believe she was 'physically able' to carry out the attack on Mr Carreno'

Reasonable journalism - ok the use of 'she' is annoying - but they published information that fully explained that Scarlet Black was indeed male & didn't describe him as a woman either.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/23/scarlet-blake-cat-killing-guilty-jorge-martin-carreno/

(Try it in archive.ph!)

They only use she/her themselves, not as a quote, in the second to last paragraph from what I can see. Until then they are using Blake, I was hoping they'd just avoided pronouns until the end.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 23/02/2024 17:43

The identifying as a cat thing is so interesting. Nobody with a functioning brain cell believes someone who identifies as a cat literally is a cat. The same goes (mostly) for people claiming to be disabled when they aren't, to be a different age (usually younger, go figure), a different ethnicity or all sort of other things they manifestly aren't. So why can somebody claim to be another thing they manifestly aren't, i.e. the opposite to their natal sex, and we're all supposed to respect that, or in plainer words, lie about it?

Panama2 · 23/02/2024 17:44

So maybe crimes should be recorded not just as male or female but transgender, non binary and all the other genders that we now have?

Still a man though no matter what is done surgically and chemically.

lifeturnsonadime · 23/02/2024 17:44

If he gets out of prison, which being young he probably will one day, will the genderists insist he should be in a women's refuge? Should he be able to use other single sex spaces reserved for women? Would you be happy if he shares changing rooms or toilets with your daughter?

Every single time a trans woman commits a crime like this I wonder how anyone still justifies the trans women are women, justification for the removal of women's rights to single sex spaces.

This nonsense needs to end.

Men are never women.

These are not our crimes.

Whenwillitgetwarm · 23/02/2024 17:49

Notourcrime · 23/02/2024 16:45

I read the bbc article and was suprised a woman would commit that crime. Then I listened to the recording and it became clear it wasn't a woman. HE is a man. Not our crime! I am so sick of the reporting on these cases.

I read about it in the Guardian and they referred to a ‘she’ throughout but it didn’t sound like a female crime to me at all. I also wondered how a woman could overpower a man, strangle him and throw him in a canal.

I then did a search and found the voice recording and it was clear ‘she’ was a ‘he’.