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To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

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ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 15:42

Scarlet Blake has been found guilty of murder. He also tortured and killed a cat.

He is not a woman.

This shouldn't be reported as a woman's crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

Scarlet Blake

Cat killer Scarlet Blake found guilty of murdering Jorge Martin Carreno

Jorge Martin Carreno was pulled from a river after being killed by Scarlet Blake in 2021.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

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ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 19:33

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 19:26

It's a good point - did Jorge know Scarlet was a man? We'll never know, I suppose.

My point here is that we know that males are more dangerous - statistically - than females. Both because the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by males and because males are stronger than females.

Would Jorge have accompanied Scarlet to the riverbank had he known Scarlet was male?

Now the crime is being reported as a 'female on male' murder, this will affect crime statistics. This will erode our ability to accurately risk assess. This risk endangering more and more people as we lose our ability to trust the information given by governmental bodies.

What happens to 'male violence' when males can just decide they are actually not male?

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ErrolTheDragon · 23/02/2024 19:34

Does anyone know how to complain to IPSO?

The first clauses of their guidelines are

i) The Press must take care not to publish inaccurate, misleading or distorted information or images, including headlines not supported by the text.
ii) A significant inaccuracy, misleading statement or distortion must be corrected, promptly and with due prominence, and — where appropriate — an apology published. In cases involving IPSO, due prominence should be as required by the regulator.

The number of papers, bbc etc calling this person a 'woman' - especially in the headlines - is astonishing.

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 19:37

https://www.ipso.co.uk/complain/

Clause 1 (Accuracy)
i) The Press must take care not to publish inaccurate, misleading or distorted information or images, including headlines not supported by the text.
ii) A significant inaccuracy, misleading statement or distortion must be corrected, promptly and with due prominence, and — where appropriate — an apology published. In cases involving IPSO, due prominence should be as required by the regulator.
iii) A fair opportunity to reply to significant inaccuracies should be given, when reasonably called for.
iv) The Press, while free to editorialise and campaign, must distinguish clearly between comment, conjecture and fact.

Complain

How to make a complaint to IPSO

https://www.ipso.co.uk/complain

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ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 19:38

The Public Interest ()There may be exceptions to the clauses marked where they can be demonstrated to be in the public interest.

  1. The public interest includes, but is not confined to:
  • Detecting or exposing crime, or the threat of crime, or serious impropriety.
  • Protecting public health or safety.
  • Protecting the public from being misled by an action or statement of an individual or organisation.
  • Disclosing a person or organisation’s failure or likely failure to comply with any obligation to which they are subject.
  • Disclosing a miscarriage of justice.
  • Raising or contributing to a matter of public debate, including serious cases of impropriety, unethical conduct or incompetence concerning the public.
  • Disclosing concealment, or likely concealment, of any of the above.
  1. There is a public interest in freedom of expression itself.
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ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 19:39

Sorry, Errol, link to complaints form:

https://www.ipso.co.uk/complain/complaints-form/

Complaints form

https://www.ipso.co.uk/complain/complaints-form

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Byeckythump · 23/02/2024 19:41

Wow. I’m shocked. I read about this case a few days ago and thought how strange it was that a woman would commit a crime like this. I feel completely deceived, I can’t believe the BBC has come to this. Complaint going in

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 19:41

You can complain about more than one publication at a time, just keep adding them.

However, the Guardian and the BBC news site are conspicuously absent, of course.

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ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 19:42

The BBC has updated its article, again, adding this:

'The trial heard Blake came to the UK from China aged nine, and came out to her parents as transgender at 12.
She said it "made my father really unhappy and my mother as well" and "caused a large emotional rift".
Blake previously told the jury about an online relationship that developed with Ashlynn Bell, another trans woman, in the US.'

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ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 19:43

But given the fact that around a third of people (see article I posted upthread on research from MBM) will understand that to mean that Blake was born female, this isn't good enough.

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ImNotAsThinkAsYouDrunkIAm · 23/02/2024 19:45

The Guardian has updated its website and is now in line with the BBC- ie. A reference to them being transgender buried half way down the article. Not good enough, but better than their previous complete omission!

Jolie12345 · 23/02/2024 19:50

Pinkfrlls · 23/02/2024 16:07

Who cares what gender they are? I'm horrified by that cruel sadistic behaviour. It wouldn't be any better if it was done by a person of a different gender.

Really missing the point

Miri13 · 23/02/2024 19:51

It’s a man, end of. Born a man, will always be a man regardless. And a monster of a man at that.

SomeCatFromJapan · 23/02/2024 19:53

I can see that argument, but we refer to anyone who has committed even the most hideous crime by he/she rather than for example it. If the press and judge refer to a transgender person by their chosen pronouns then that doesn't revert because of them being found guilty. (A transgendered witness or victim would also be referred to by their chosen pronouns)

This is why the use of correct sex pronouns is such a line in the sand for me. They should always be used in an official and legal context.
If people's friends wish to informally and socially use preferred pronouns, that is up to them, but that is as far as it should go.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 23/02/2024 19:53

I don't think it's as simple as there are males and females and that's it.

But it is that simple. There are males and females and that's it. Sure, there are males who think they are female, and females who think they are male, but they are just as wrong about that as someone who thinks they are a cat. A man can no more change into a woman than a human can change into a cat.

SomeCatFromJapan · 23/02/2024 19:54

I don't think it's as simple as there are males and females and that's it.

It is that simple. There are males and females and that is all.

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 19:56

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 23/02/2024 19:53

I don't think it's as simple as there are males and females and that's it.

But it is that simple. There are males and females and that's it. Sure, there are males who think they are female, and females who think they are male, but they are just as wrong about that as someone who thinks they are a cat. A man can no more change into a woman than a human can change into a cat.

Yep.

There is no third sex.

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1753045097959100600

'Sex is binary as a matter of biological fact'

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1753045097959100600

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Jolie12345 · 23/02/2024 19:57

This is truly shocking. I had no idea he was a man from what i had read previously. It’s very concerning that mainstream media are going along with the madness. Where does it end?!

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 20:00

Jolie12345 · 23/02/2024 19:57

This is truly shocking. I had no idea he was a man from what i had read previously. It’s very concerning that mainstream media are going along with the madness. Where does it end?!

I'm really shocked that so many people seem to have believed that Scarlet was female.

This is gaslighting on an industrial scale.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/02/2024 20:04

YADNBU

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/02/2024 20:05

PonyPatter44 · 23/02/2024 16:09

Scarlet has been on remand in a men's prison, and will serve his sentence in the men's estate. This won't be up for debate. Prison guidelines changed last year, and violent male offenders are not considered for the female estate at all.

Good to hear!

Jolie12345 · 23/02/2024 20:06

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 20:00

I'm really shocked that so many people seem to have believed that Scarlet was female.

This is gaslighting on an industrial scale.

There really is no benefit to the media is lying though, so why are they? Scared of the activists?!! Most of which have no skin in the game at all 😡 I will definitely be complaining

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 20:08

This also springs to mind.

To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.
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Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/02/2024 20:09

Are they? You know this how? Self-id is not law in the UK.

I think it's highly unlikely that this man has a GRC. Most MTF trans people do not.

cauliflowerqueen · 23/02/2024 20:09

This is a perfect example of why so many people no longer trust the media or journalists. Too many so-called journalists don't hold up their end of the bargain, to strive to report the pure, unvarnished truth. They (or the organisations that employ them) have an agenda to promote, and if the truth doesn't fit, it's either ignored or twisted to serve their purposes.

Mustreadabook · 23/02/2024 20:12

Misthios · 23/02/2024 16:00

Also BBC not alone in their lies. No mention of Blake being biologically male in the ITV article either. According to them, Blake is "a woman".

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2024-02-23/cat-killer-found-guilty-of-murdering-oxford-man-after-night-out

It does say she is transgender about halfway through the article