To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

If she is being made an example of then I hope the message gets through to others who choose to make similar journeys.

As a child a person learns that rape, mutilation, torture and murder are not acceptable. She was 15.

You don't 'accidentally' join a terrorist organisation or be groomed into one.

The things that ISIS did - that she was a major part of - have destroyed millions of lives. They raped children. They tortured children. They starved children. They mutilated and beat children to death. They left hundreds and thousands of people in mass graves.

She has shown no fucking empathy or atoned for her mistakes. She doesn't give a flying fuck about the suffering she cause and what she was apart of.

She made her bed. Now she can fester in it.

End of.

Am surprised how many wannabe terrorists/sympathisers there are on MN with all the 'If this had been me...' posts!

When white girls are trafficked at 15, we call them victims.

Brown girls are terrorists who should have known better.

This. You’re spot on.

Well as I asked another Begum sympathiser upthread (who funnily enough hasn't responded...) what is your proof it's down to her ethnicity? Be a it isn't. The people with the cries of "racist" are unfounded. I would feel exactly the same about a blonde, blue eyed white girl who had been as evil as Begum - i don't care what colour somebody is if they have committed terrible atrocities. Why are people so intent on making thus racist?

I think everyone just had to think about their own children, as a mum to a daughter who is currently a pre teen would I accept that at 15 if she never came home and then was pregnant and married to a 35 year old man that I wouldn’t report him ? Or want him prisoned for eternity and he balls cut off
or would I accept 15 was older enough to make her own decisions?
95 percent of people on here who says they would accept their 15 year old was old enough to make their decision is a liar the other 5 percent shouldn’t be parents at all.

I agree OP. She was a child. Even the James Bulger killers weren't treated as badly.

But a brown Muslim child was never going to be treated fairly and allowed to rehabilitate.

If she were allowed back and placed under constant surveillance by the security services then those whining about her being 'groomed' and all the other buzz words would be complaining that that was unfair too!

Making everything about race is so blah. Maybe her family didn’t have sway or know how to push the police properly or work the press. This is down to socioeconomics more than race - not that there is not often a link but the reality is that if a poor white boy did this he would also be left floundering.

No sympathy from me.

I would be willing to bet that they could have survived if born in the UK with access to better nutrition and medical care.

😂 Obviously! But as they were sired by terrorists in a war zone those poor little souls stood no chance.

I didn't feel bad for her at all but then I listened to the BBC podcast about her (I'm not a Monster) and I didn't realise she had been groomed to go out there by a female friend who sent propaganda and fake videos of an idyllic life out there - seemingly under pressure to recruit more girls. Their lives out their wer terrifying and they suffered awful abusive plus the bombings and starvation. The school friend who recruted her and the girls she travelled with are all dead, as are Shamima's children. There is no question she's been through a lot.

That said, she'd make an absolutely pitiful X Factor contestant! Likeability rating - zero! She comes across as cold and unrepentant. People who knew her before noted that she was timid and a bit strange. Her voice is robotic. She's difficult to feel empathy for.

I'm not sure coming back here would be a good idea anyway. She'd be a daily target. Everyone knows her face.

Taking her out of the equation, we do need to do more to protect our kids from online grooming by terrorist/extremist organisations. Adults are duped by these people so kids don't stand a chance, especially those who are vulnerable.

It's a sad story all round.

I'm not a white English FM. I do not want her back in England

Everytime this story rears its head, I fear even more resentment from the right wing having a go at people that are not their way of thinking. I don't mean those who just have an opinion based on facts one way or the other

I do not blame this young lady for trying and trying and trying against and again I blame our weak, feeble government for not having the guts to say no and mean no, no ifs, no buts but a NO

Who are these 'white girls' who have done as she has done in joining a terrorist organisation, taken part in torture and killing and come home?

I don't feel sorry for her. Hopefully she doesn't get her British citizenship back.

Right? I'm surprised how many people here are implying they were only one bad influence away from becoming terrorists.

I grew up in Northern Ireland in the 80s surrounded by terrorists (even have then in my own family) yet still managed to know it was wrong.

Perhaps the distinction is not obvious. It was the harm that Begun caused in her support of a terrorist organization after she left the UK that makes her a risk. Whereas those girls in Rotherham were raped and beaten. Hope that clears it up for you as to why one is different in terms of culpability

It's very convenient that society complains that youth are groomed into extremist groups and yet no help is forthcoming for the victims of the grooming because they are Muslim.

Has there ever been any valid evidence that these babies ever existed? I certainly wouldn't take her word for it!

The Begum sympathisers seem to have none for the Rotherham girls and see them as culpable as her.

How many "white" girls have joined a terrorist group and been allowed back into the U.K. Joining a terrorist group makes you a terrorist.

What harm did Shamima cause?

And the two situations are the same.

Shamima was groomed and trafficked to Syria for sexual exploitation.

Pity you only see white girls as victims.

I think she was groomed

I think the whole situation is outrageous. She was groomed, she was 15, she was then traumatised, lost 3 children, and now he birth country has made her stateless. How many of the men who actually went to fight have been made stateless? Yes, she was very wrong to do what she did. Yes, continue to monitor her, tag her, whatever it takes, but bring her home! I do agree with what others have said - this is racism, pure and simple. If she was a white, blonde, teenager with European parents who are now settled in UK, there would have been a huge outcry over treatment. Where is our compassion?