To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

With the help of a Canadian agent.

I think Netherlands while not commenting on this case have cited paperwork issues so likely won't be an option.

I think it was an underage marriage and their rules need resident permit needing valid passport - which with no state she won't have or be able to get and travel documents which Shamima Begum not likely to have.

There are more worthy subjects for your kindness and understanding than a terrorist.

Her punishment will hopefully be a good example to anyone considering the same.

My DD is the same age and highly vulnerable/easily led.

So yes I do feel very sorry for her because I couldn’t imagine my DD being in a similar position.

No sympathy, at 15 she was well aware what she was doing.
This country has no benefit to let her back in, why risk it.
She made herself stateless when she became a terrorist.

Why are 15yos that are groomed by grown men in this country, the victims.

But a 15yo groomed by grind men in another country, is somehow more to blame.

Because they are victims of sexual abuse, not joining isis?

Because neither of the examples you cite are comparable.
You just seem to not like white South Africans or Jewish people with duel citizenship.
This isn't about identity or colour, but about threat to our national security.

I've always been torn on this subject.

On one hand I agree she was young and was brainwashed but on the other hand, it's no easy feat to travel to Syria alone and takes some determination and planning.

I think the people making the decisions on her citizenship probably have a lot more information than we do to make their decision, that I imagine can't be released due to national security. I believe she will take it to the Supreme Court and then the ECtHR.

I'm unsure on my stance on her citizenship being revoked but if she was to return, I don't believe she should be permitted to live freely. She should be detained and charged with terrorist offences under U.K. law.

She was also a victim of sexual abuse.

The men who groom children are extremely dangerous, regardless of whether they’re part of ISIS or not.

Poor lamb...

Terrorism is uncivilised too.

She was groomed, she lived through domestic abuse, and multiple baby losses

Allegedly

Newsflash: sometimes those who've committed offences lie to avoid responsibility, and sometimes enablers leap upon those lies as some sort of proof even if there isn't any

Sajid Javid MP has said that the establishment knows things about what she has done that are not general knowledge and it is for these reasons she cannot return. I agree with pp that the truth should be available for all to see. If you look into the appeal online there are reporting restrictions so there is still so much we don't know.

Why do you insist that she was groomed she was not in a closed society, Her family are not ultra strict, the Academy where she was a pupil is very modern and multi cultural. She was not groomed. It was a decision like some men lie about their age to join the Army.

She is brown, so it's a lot easier for people to dehumanise her. With her attributes its difficult to imagine her as a daughter, a niece or cousin etc.

YANBU at all.

I don't feel sorry for her but I think she should come back to the UK to face a trial. Have any members of the IRA (and its various iterations) been stripped of UK citizenship? I realise it would be symbolic rather than anything else but surely the UK govt should start doing that too.

We are forgetting that she married Yago Riedijk therefore she has Dutch status as his wife/widow
No she doesn't. Amazing how posters assume people get automatic citizenship so easily in other countries!

She would need to have been married or in a committed relationship for at least 3 years before the request for citizenship of the Netherlands AND show you will continue to be married AND live together all the way during the process which clearly isn't the case right now.

She dies NOT have any status nor can she apply for it right now. That's not even taking into consideration that there are likely requirements about criminal charges etc....

I feel like there is a reason for this.

Surely she has been assessed and it has been decided?

Don't feel one bit sorry for her . We are not talking about pinching apples here , she and her ilk could have caused catastrophic damage for all we know .

Absolutely.

No sympathy whatsoever. God only knows what atrocities she committed but presumably the security services have a fair idea and that’s why she’s lost her appeal. Good riddance.

So I would not have taken her citizenship away. The reason being that the UK should take responsibility for managing citizens who are prone to terrorist activity. So she should return but then be watched like a hawk. I do not accept that she was not aware of what she was doing and in subsequent interviews she initially showed no remorse. There is a PR campaign after this (pictures with no head covering as an example), which are meant to present her as any other young London woman. I think there is every risk she shares extremist views still.

I don’t think we as a country should be ditching someone radicalised here and allowed to leave from here on someone else’s passport on another country.

She’s our problem and it’s not right to abandon the responsibility for that.