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To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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EWAS · 23/02/2024 12:56

I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

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JustAnotherManicMomday · 23/02/2024 19:44

Did she feel sorry for the people who had their head cut off, or for the people she helped make suicide vests for.....NO she did not.

Dweetfidilove · 23/02/2024 19:44

AboutYouTalk · 23/02/2024 19:19

Exactly, you are not truly British if you have links elsewhere. It’s wrong.

Never. You’re encouraged to adopt all things British, but remember, you’ll never be British enough 🤷🏽‍♀️. Ridiculous!

Newsenmum · 23/02/2024 19:45

Cherrysherbet · 23/02/2024 19:38

No sympathy from me. I don’t want her here.
This country is a safer place without her and people like her.

Perhaps but we can’t just say all the ‘bad’ people don’t belong in Britain and can’t come back. We all have to deal with our own criminals, no matter how dangerous. Is there really still a concern about her motives?

CuttingMeOpenthenHealingMeFine · 23/02/2024 19:46

I can't even image the trauma she's experienced

what about the trauma she has caused?? Have a read about what ISIS and the ‘morality police’ got up to - she took an active part in that, to such an extent that our security services don’t want her back here under any circumstances. All you sympathisers can tell yourself all you want that it’s because she isn’t white or because she is a woman, because all you are doing is fooling yourself. She is clearly very dangerous and you all are too stupid to see it, like all the idiots adopting XL Bullies telling themselves that they are fine really, and they are, until they rip your throat out.

Sausage1989 · 23/02/2024 19:46

No. She deserves everything she's got.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 23/02/2024 19:46

phishy · 23/02/2024 19:41

Not when the Bangladeshi government have said she doesn’t have the right.

Depending on the circumstances it lapses at 21 without application.

She was a Bangladeshi citizen without more from 0 - 21.

She was 19 when she lost UK citizenship.

If Bangladesh don’t want her that’s their call. But she was never stateless beforehand.

WeAreWarriorsWeAreWarriors · 23/02/2024 19:46

It doesn't matter whether you feel sorry for her. She's British and she should be our problem. We created her and what happened, we should deal with it.

And sadly, if she was white she'd be home.

peakygold · 23/02/2024 19:47

OP, I guess you have never been directly affected by terrorism?

HelloMiss · 23/02/2024 19:49

JustAnotherManicMomday · 23/02/2024 19:44

Did she feel sorry for the people who had their head cut off, or for the people she helped make suicide vests for.....NO she did not.

No

Or the people at the Arrianna Grande concert who lost their lives

She thought it was brilliant!

phishy · 23/02/2024 19:49

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 23/02/2024 19:46

Depending on the circumstances it lapses at 21 without application.

She was a Bangladeshi citizen without more from 0 - 21.

She was 19 when she lost UK citizenship.

If Bangladesh don’t want her that’s their call. But she was never stateless beforehand.

Of course she was always stateless, the Bangladeshi government didn’t want her. Stop peddling lies.

phishy · 23/02/2024 19:52

Dweetfidilove · 23/02/2024 19:44

Never. You’re encouraged to adopt all things British, but remember, you’ll never be British enough 🤷🏽‍♀️. Ridiculous!

Exactly. What incentive for people to have loyalty to Britain under these conditions?

All citizens should have the same rights.

kikilaw · 23/02/2024 19:53

My daughter is 15. She would never do what that girl did. She wasn't a child. She made her choice. A poor one.

Ofcourseshecan · 23/02/2024 19:54

Calling Shamima Begum a “trafficked child” is an insult to actual trafficked children, including the victims of SB’s own involvement in slavery. She grew up comfortably in the UK, where she chose to watch Islamic State’s murder and torture videos. She then travelled to take part in the violence, which included the murder or enslavement of thousands of Yazidis. She has been identified by a former Yazidi slave (who was raped and enslaved at the age of 13) as taking part in an IS training camp.

All my sympathies are with the victims, not the perpetrators.

Dibilnik · 23/02/2024 19:55

kikilaw · 23/02/2024 19:53

My daughter is 15. She would never do what that girl did. She wasn't a child. She made her choice. A poor one.

...and the thing is, it's a choice she went on making.

She didn't reach adulthood and go "oops!" - she actively participated in terrorism, apparently getting a kick out of it.

Boysgrownbutstillathome · 23/02/2024 19:55

I feel sorry for her too. She made a stupid mistake as a 15 year old child and had to grow up very quickly, losing 3 babies. She should get her UK citizenship back and be tried in this country.

Dweetfidilove · 23/02/2024 19:55

Voone · 23/02/2024 19:39

Fairly sure she didn't take it on due to the fact she would have then been deported there and faced the death penalty.....

Awaiting all the comments saying well she still could have had citizenship so she wasn't stateless 🙄....and that she certainly didn't care about all the innocents who faced the death penalty when she ran off to join ISIS........

But Bangladeshi citizenship was never a real option for her and the UK government knew that.

Whatever her reasons, ultimately she had no need to take up Bangladeshi citizenship, as she was already a British citizen. The citizenship she held, the only she had needed up to that point.

She was born, raised and educated here, indoctrinated here, lured away from here and here is where she should return to. How does a British grown terrorist become a Bangladeshi problem?

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 23/02/2024 19:56

phishy · 23/02/2024 19:49

Of course she was always stateless, the Bangladeshi government didn’t want her. Stop peddling lies.

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No. You’re just wrong.

If you’re going to be abusive at least make sure you have even a small grasp of what you’re talking about.

Cornettoninja · 23/02/2024 19:56

All my sympathies are with the victims, not the perpetrators

sympathy doesn’t come in to it. At least it shouldn’t.

Shamima is a British terrorist.

phishy · 23/02/2024 19:56

Dibilnik · 23/02/2024 19:55

...and the thing is, it's a choice she went on making.

She didn't reach adulthood and go "oops!" - she actively participated in terrorism, apparently getting a kick out of it.

You can’t just leave once you’re in it. So much faux naïveté on this thread.

Knitgoodwoman · 23/02/2024 19:57

@Boysgrownbutstillathome but she’s a terror threat as an adult who supported ISIL beheading people and the Manchester bombing. I don’t want adults like that in this country.

HelloMiss · 23/02/2024 19:57

Boysgrownbutstillathome · 23/02/2024 19:55

I feel sorry for her too. She made a stupid mistake as a 15 year old child and had to grow up very quickly, losing 3 babies. She should get her UK citizenship back and be tried in this country.

She didn't 'make a mistake'..... she made several..... over the years

phishy · 23/02/2024 19:57

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 23/02/2024 19:56

No. You’re just wrong.

If you’re going to be abusive at least make sure you have even a small grasp of what you’re talking about.

Stop abusing the truth then.

Do you need it spelled out? If neither the UK or Bangladesh would accept her then she was and is stateless.

Dweetfidilove · 23/02/2024 19:57

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 23/02/2024 19:39

She was born with it.

She’d never needed it before, because she was also born with British citizenship.

British terrorists are not a Bangladeshi problem.

Unless you’re saying she wasn’t actually British to begin with.

Northernsouloldies · 23/02/2024 19:58

I'm not sorry for her but she's a British problem and Britain should deal with her.

Allaboom · 23/02/2024 19:59

OodlesPoodle · 23/02/2024 18:11

Counter terrorism forces launched a manhunt for her and her friends, and located her with ISiS shortly after she arrived in Syria. It is reasonable to believe they would have tried to bring her home (as that is why they went looking for her) and why her mum was begging her to come home (with security services). The only reason they wouldn't have been able to is if she refused and they couldn't kidnap her! Which also explains why our security services have always considered her a threat.

And why everyone who has met her has refuted suggestions she was groomed. Anyone groomed would WANT to come home with police and special forces.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/shamima-begum-citizenship-uk-court-appeal-b2501323.html

They may have found her but she couldn’t leave. It would have been very dangerous to try and get out.

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