To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

It's disgusting that she gets Legal Aid the UK tax payers are paying for.

We're doomed . The UK has become a toilet full of people who hate it but don't seem to want to live elsewhere .

This trend of extreme liberalism is worrying .

Exactly, you are not truly British if you have links elsewhere. It’s wrong.

I live in Australia and many very long term British citizens resident here never actually take on Australian citizenship. One of the things they do in this country is to deport convicted criminals back to the UK after serving out their prison sentences. This happens even if they have lived in Australia since early childhood and have no UK support structures or connections. Many of these people are serious criminals such as paedophiles, others are guilty of multiple offence of minor crimes. Some have partners and children in Australia but they still get deported regardless. The UK has complained about it but still takes them back because they are British citizens.
So if the UK can be responsible for full blown adults who have actually been tried and convicted, they can be responsible toward someone who was groomed, a minor and who literally has nowhere to go.

our children are allowed to join the armed forces in the UK at 16 entirely legally and of their own volition

15 isn’t 16 and it’s illegal to deploy anyone under 18 to the frontline.

theres plenty of criticism of the UK’s military recruitment of minors and efforts to change this practice is being actively phased out. Because we’re talking about minors. Children.

The recruitment of minors has been criticised by the United Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child, Parliament’s own Joint Committee on Human Rights, and children’s charities amongst others. The Armed Forces Bill is an opportunity to phase out the recruitment of people under 18 in line with international standards, while introducing greater protection for 16- and 17-year-old personnel in the meantime

https://www.parliament.uk/globalassets/documents/joint-committees/human-rights/Briefing_from_Forces_Watch_age_of_recruitment.pdf

Oh piss off. This is nothing like the Rochdale grooming gangs. I’m horrified you would even compare the two!

I 100% believe she was groomed. For comparison, why did those girls in Rochdale not just say no? Why did they do such stupid things, made awful decisions and it's everyone else's fault? Because they were 14/15 and as a society we have decided they do not have the capacity to make intelligent decisions including consent to sex. Either we accept a 15 is capable or not, but it can't change depending on the circumstances. Compare her to Lisa Smith, the Irish female solider who joined ISIS. Completely different people and circumstances yet she went home to Ireland where she was convicted.

It is possible to remove citizenship if a person is entitled to citizenship elsewhere, in another country. This is especially the case if national security is at risk.

In this case Shamima is of Bangladeshi descent hence the reason why it was legally possible to remove her.

If Bangladesh have decided they don’t want her due to her terrorist activities- understandably, then she is free to apply for citizenship in Syria where she has chosen to spend all of her adult life.

God no.

Very good point

Quite frankly it is a fucking insult to those truly trafficked to compare the two.

Someone asked above if any men who have two citizenships have been stripped of the British one. There are quite a few. One is Jack Letts

Indeed, and there was a complicit family involved there as well

John and Sally Letts were convicted of entering into a funding arrangement for the purposes of terrorism, though of course they claimed they were only trying to help:

https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/sally-lane-and-john-letts-sentenced-sending-money-daesh-supporting-son

Very good point

I would like to think the powers that be have a lot more information than we do which is why they are not allowing her back in our country.

To compare an adult engaging in terrorism with young girls being drugged and raped as young as 10 just isn’t the same. Comparing the Rochdale gang victims to her is disgusting.
The Rochdale victims also don’t pose a current terror threat and also they didn’t work with ISIL.

Don’t worry, Truss is busy putting your case to the world and calling for less of that sort of thing.

If there is evidence that she committed a crime/crimes (and joining ISIS is one of them) then it should be presented in a British court of law and she should be dealt with appropriately

I don’t think anyone is suggesting she be allowed back into the country and re-enrol in college or get a job down Tescos but making someone stateless due to a decision she made at 15 years old doesn’t sit right with me at all

She went to join the ISIS state, not because she chose to live in Syria. Syria didn't want those people there and tried to keep them out.

If terrorists went to the UK to join some terrorist group and were made stateless while being held in the UK would you think the UK should have to stay stuck with them? They're certainly not going to give them citizenship.

I can read all sorts of things and not swallow what they say. Funnily enough, I find Guardian readers more dogmatic and unthinking than any others.

I realise that’s heresy in these parts. But hey ho.

LankyCranky32 · Today 13:06

I always find it amazing because if I was 15 ad a blonde white English teenager who hanged out a lot with different people from different cultures and had left the country in the way she did there would have been an instant search to find me, and I would have been classed as kidnapped from grooming.

Not if you were a white working class from a council estate, you wouldn't (see: the victims of multiple rapes in Rotherham and how they were treated by the authorities for decades).

Before saying it is racist consider

If a white 15 year old british person had seen videos of concentration camps and gone to modern day nazi Germany voluntarily to support the cause and while there taken up a job gassing people at auschwitz would they be allowed back if the opportunity was there to stop them? What if when interviewed they announced that England are the enemy, jews should die and heil Hitler?

This is true

I don't know what more people need to be honest; Shamima Begum has every reason to lie, Andrew Drury does not.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19704913/shamima-begum-interview-text-message-2/

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/shamima-begum-is-no-victim-and-i-should-know/

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2236981/world

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/gmb-guests-divided-netflix-filmmaker-27236924

That's not quite the same though because the nazis were in government.

She went to join ISIS, Syria didn't went ISIS there or those people to go there. So why on earth should they be stuck with them?