To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

How does that relate to my question?

She was Bangladeshi until the age of 21.

If she’s stateless, Bangladesh made her stateless.

Just because she doesn't fit the role of victim that others are comfortable with, doesn't mean she isn't a victim. Why should she apologise for being groomed

Most of us have done something stupid at 15 but more in line with getting drunk or stealing pick n mix from woolworths than running away to join a terrorist organisation and kill people

There isn't any hard evidence to prove that she was trafficked.

The security services will know far more than us, they made an assessment it was unsafe for her to return. Glad they’re there to keep us safe 👍 We’ve all got complacent about the terror threat, but it’s still there.

I don't feel sorry for her at all, and she is much more of a danger to the UK than anyone realises, otherwise the authorities wouldn't have taken this stance.

All of the people saying she was a child and groomed - our children are allowed to join the armed forces in the UK at 16 entirely legally and of their own volition. She chose to join a different army and now has to deal with that. I have read everything about her case over the years and seen testimonies from various people including a lawyer who said she is incredibly dangerous, a narcissist, has no remorse and no sympathy for anyone that has been harmed over the years. Others from the camp have said she was much more involved in the bloodshed than she admits. She made her bed so now she can lie in it.

Oh good god would you give it a rest. I'm not white and I find the whataboutery very offensive.

YANBU

it makes me chuckle at how as a society we empathize with the victims of grooming gangs in Rochdale for example, but can’t extend the same thought process to other girls impacted by grooming

Funnily enough no I don't feel sorry for a terrorist.

She has never lived in Bangladesh, doesn't have Bangladeshi nationality and was born in UK.

She had Bangladeshi citizenship until she was 21.

No she was not. British born and bred.

You can't realise how utterly moronic you sound.

The Jenkinson and Ratcliffe murderers are only sixteen.
They committed the pre meditated, horrendous murder of Brianna Ghey.

They were not judged to be hormone driven teenagers out for a bit of fun.

They went onto the dark net to research how to murder someone in the most heinous way.

Should that be called "Grooming"?
No.

Did they show any remorse?
No.

Same as SB

I completely despair at how bleeding-heart wet this country has become. She was months away from being able to get married and have sex legally, knew exactly what she was getting into and is a danger to all right-minded non-terrorist citizens.

That people are making excuses for her and saying the feel sorry for her makes me worry for the future of this company. I dread to think what the outcome would be now if there was a world war that couldn't be solved by tea and sympathy and group hugs.

She automatically had Bangladeshi citizenship because her parents do. It’s written down in black and white in the law of Bangladesh. You can Google it and check. Go on.

The court decision is correct. Also if I ere jailed in Brazil for drug offences the UK state would not pay for getting me out or pay for me to be transported home so I don't see why we should do the same for this criminal Begum - her three children are dead because of her unwise decisions.

Someone asked above if any men who have two citizenships have been stripped of the British one. There are quite a few. One is Jack Letts

So how to do you compare the victims of grooming gangs in Rochdale, to some one who is now in their mid twenties who has since actively been involved in terrorism, murder and holds such vile views?

Just wondering about your thought process?

Disagree. Yes white woman (and probably brown ones too) are trafficked - usually through being told lies (I read an autobiography of one woman who was offered a job in amsterdam as a nanny and then forced to work as a prostitute) THAT is trafficking.

She KNEW where she was going and what for. She chose to go, KNOWING the type of people she was joining and what she'd be expected to do. She went anyway. It has nothing to do with her ethnicity - she made her bed, she can lie in it. And I'd say the exact same if she was white

Pray tell what the difference is. If you can sit and say what happened to the girls in Rochdale isn’t their fault, the same needs to be applied to her.

You are aware many of the girls groomed in Rochdale were also then actively involved in ‘recruiting’ other girls in care and plying them with drugs right?

As an adult she engaged in terror activity, supporting ISIL. An adult.

I agree.

She met with her solicitors plenty of times to try to be allowed back to the UK. She could have made the application then.
Are you suggesting Bangladesh does not have fair trials? I've no idea if she was guilty but we do know she policed other women and sewed suicide bombs into clothing. She has absolutely no remorse. It would cost millions and millions of pounds every year to give her round the clock surveillance. She's a terrorist threat so she would have to have round the clock surveillance. Why should tax payers have their money wasted on scum like her?