To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

Because matters of national security aren’t usually discussed publicly.

Probably because there's a reason matters of national security aren't shared. It risks disclosing the names and details of any British citizens and agents who may be involved in operations in the area. And also disclosing information about our systems, processes, method and people in play because no one is going to believe him without proof. If this information was public, we'd have no way to defend ourselves from our enemies.

I don't feel sorry for, she's not a great person and should be punished for her actions but she shouldn't have her citizenship stripped she should be made to come back to UK, tried in a court of law and sent to prison for her actions.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/man-jailed-eight-years-funding-terrorism - this man only got 8 years.

But she willingly choose to go, and stayed there well into adulthood. Had she wanted to return sooner, she could have done.

Making an example in this way is DANGEROUS. It's essentially changing the usual system of law and punishment AFTER the fact, in order to deter people in the future. And this in itself sets an example of the wrong sort to future governments. That they can just make anyone stateless if they disapprove of them sufficiently. Or in other ways act against law and precedent. It doesn't have to be someone who does 'what she did'; it could be anyone who displeases the Home Secretary of the day sufficiently.

If you want to be able to make people stateless if they support terrorists, then at any rate make it a law.

Hell no.

She is a product of her environment; her father was an associate of hate preacher Anjum Choudry (sp?). Apparently he was a supporter of ISIS until Shamina went to Syria then he was crying on TV clutching a teddy bear pleading for her return.
I was watching the journalist who interviewed her on TV this morning and he said she has shown no remorse whatsoever for her actions. IMO this was the right decision by the court. Fuck her, let her rot.

A second chance? We aren't talking about that woman getting drunk at 15, making a, silly mistake. Oh, silly Shamima... Ffs. Do you need reminding that she said severed heads in bins didn't bother her, said that the Manchester bombing was justified and said she had sewn people into suicide vests? As for Thomas and Venables they should have been incarcerated for life too. Regardless of ethnicity there are some cases where you shouldn't get second chances. Begum is one of those.

And we get to pay for that too, then she radicalises other inmates and comes out to sell her story and encourage others to do what she did.. no thanks.

Well that's a disgrace. Why should hardworking people be funding her appeals? They should tell her to pay for it herself if she so badly wants to come back.

She can simply apply for citizenship where she is now.

She is never going to be allowed back because she is being made an example of. Meanwhile in hundreds of boats men we know nothing about are allowed to claim asylum here.

How would she be made to 'come back to the U.K.'

Do you know where she is?? She can't just hop on a plane

Really? How could she have left?

I suspect if she was being 'groomed' they were pushing on an open door. She was seeking out and consolidating this interest in anti West terrorism and the 'romance' of being a jihadi bride, on an adventure with her pals. She was 15, young and inexperienced but not daft and not totally blameless.
She didn't help herself much with her early interviews revealing a lack of compassion or remorse which of course she's more recently softened as she's been advised on how to present herself in the media.
However, I feel the UK should respect the law and not keep her stateless. She could return under very strict conditions.

I don’t feel sorry for her. She made a choice. The most recent assessments show she still poses a risk.

I feel sorry for the idiotic, gullible, naive 15 years old she was. Not for the adult woman she is today, British intelligence obviously know more than us what she’s really capable of. Post grooming.

Didn’t she do a documentary last year and the interviewer said she had no remorse or empathy, I heard she will of taken part in beheadings and other torture’s to prove herself while being groomed.

We don’t need a sicko like that over here, we already have enough walking amongst us.

She happily sews people into suicide vests....still want her over here?

Don't be ridiculous.

No sympathy from me. She is classed as a security risk, it’s not a risk worth taking. Doesn’t her Dad live in Bangledash, why can’t they take her? Why does she have to come back to the UK.

What’s ridiculous about that? A leaky national security system is a good idea then?

Exactly. And I would have said the same about anyone else, however vile, who didn't have another citizenship. The Yorkshire Ripper; Fred and Rose West; violent neo-Nazis. The rule of law comes ahead of what we think of any individual.

She can join the Labour Party. There is soon to be a vacancy as speaker of the house.

On second thought - she is an actual bio woman so probably not welcome. Labour are not keen on diversity in reality either preferring multi millionaire white public school boys over everyone else, the progressives that they are 🙄

Counter terrorism forces launched a manhunt for her and her friends, and located her with ISiS shortly after she arrived in Syria. It is reasonable to believe they would have tried to bring her home (as that is why they went looking for her) and why her mum was begging her to come home (with security services). The only reason they wouldn't have been able to is if she refused and they couldn't kidnap her! Which also explains why our security services have always considered her a threat.

And why everyone who has met her has refuted suggestions she was groomed. Anyone groomed would WANT to come home with police and special forces.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/shamima-begum-citizenship-uk-court-appeal-b2501323.html

Because people keep saying otherwise…Begum held dual UK and Bangladeshi citizenship. Her Bangladeshi citizenship was automatic at birth and continued at least until 21. She was 19 when the UK stripped her of UK citizenship.

SHE WAS NOT STATELESS. If Bangladesh won’t take her that’s on them and their auto-citizenship policy.

I really object to the “grooming” defence. She joined a group that she knew did the most awful things imaginable. She travelled there to take part. People can be radicalised, as a pp has said, but there has to be a reason for susceptibility to extreme views and actions. It’s nothing like grooming as it’s understood in sexual abuse cases.

The facts of her case were examined in SIAC, a secure court that deals with sensitive terrorist matters. The authorities do know what she’s done and have persuaded SIAC and higher courts on review that she is a menace.

People arguing the contrary are doing so for the sake of it.

As for the Niemoller quote. That’s at every Holocaust memorial including Yad Vashem. A particularly stupid use of a quote in support of someone who joined a death cult that wants to kill all Jews.