To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

This is filmmaker who spent time with her out in Syria. Almost everyone who has met her has said she's manipulative and a narcissist.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11679335/Shamima-Begum-recalls-saying-no-mother-begged-come-home-ISIS.html

"The Times quotes him as saying: 'She sees herself as a victim now but she told me quite clearly it was her choice to go [to Syria] and she went of her own free will
'She is a narcissist. She wants to be a somebody. Now she sees herself as a celebrity. Being part of Isis meant she was a somebody and now she's a somebody again.'
In July last year Mr Drury said the UK has a responsibility to bring British jihadi brides like Begum and their children 'back home' because it was not fair to leave them 'to be a danger to the Syrians and the Kurds' who have 'enough danger to deal with already'.
But he has since changed his view - in September he said he believed Begum is a 'manipulative personality playing the victim card in an attempt to get back to the UK'."

What bothers me is why her? I know there is the guy who could claim Canadian citizenship, but my understanding is that there many men in this country who have been ISIS fighters. Have any of them had their citizenship revoked? Seems like academic research shows that women get more harsh punishments than men in the justice system, particularly when they commit crimes more commonly associated with men, so wonder if this is that in action?

I knew what I was doing at 15
Was I immature? Yeah sure. But she knew exactly what she was singing up for.

"Fuck around and find out" springs to mind. I do not feel sorry for her at all.

She was old enough to know better. Bleeding heart do-gooders like you make me seethe.

She's in a prison camp....Al-Roj

Syria are not going to release her.... you offering to risk your life getting in there?

She seems to have had an engaged family who at the time were horrified and attempted to get her back

Amira Abase was said to have an engaged family too - who can forget her dad boo-hooing while clutching her teddy, insisting his little girl was innocent?
Until footage emerged of him taking her to hate rallies that is, at which point he was heard from no more

As already said, sometimes folk lie to avoid responsibility for what they've created, so I make no assumptions as to whether Shamima's family are truly "horrified" or not

Ah you see when I think ‘why her and not all the others’ my mind goes to just how bad intelligence has shown she is.

No because she voluntarily joined a terrorist organisation. If she returned, she'd be a threat to the UK. She travelled to go and join them, they did not come here and groom her. Terrorism is deadly serious. The government have had to make an example out of her, to deter any more people thinking of leaving the UK to join such a group.

Absolutely agree.

Completely agree, they’ve made ‘an example’ of a groomed child and yet appear completely incapable of making any stand at all in other ways that would be much more meaningful.

I wish all these people who claim it would be different if she was white would give a comparable example instead of equating what Begum did with victims of sexual abuse and trafficking. It's pretty insulting to compare them with someone who made an elaborate plan to go and join a notoriously brutal terror group and took part in atrocities there.

I feel a (very limited) level of sympathy because she was so young when she left - although very much old enough to know better - but I think she's a security risk, has no real remorse and she just has to live with the consequences of her actions. The government acted lawfully, and the security services know far more than us and have deemed her a risk. And no, we don't need to know all the details.

I've spent my life protecting children, and I agree that she was a child who was exploited, but you can be sure the government know more about her than she'd know. I think she's a security risk and should be kept out.

No, how could she whilst in a camp in a war zone?

Plus the Bangladeshi's said they wouldn't grant it and if she was one of theirs they'd execute her if guilty.

It's against the UK's laws to send someone to a country where they would be executed.

"The love??

She is absolutely fine to see a journalists severed head in a rubbish bin.....totally ok with that.....ask the journalists family 'where is the love'"

This.
I moved out of a flat and on coming back to do some last minute cleaning there was a LOT of very dark and thick blood outside on the floor of the back entrance. That alone horrified me to the point I'll never forget it.
I can't fathom having an "It didn't phase me" reaction to a severed bloody head!

That's not even getting onto the whole "I'm over it now" comment she made about her own children. Where's the love for them????
Correct me if I'm wrong, but afaik that's not something you just "get over" ever.

People need to look into Andrew Drury and his first hand friendship that he had with her, where he went from believing her for a solid amount of time, years even I believe, to feeling as though he'd been entirely manipulated by her into getting what she wanted.

I am sick of paying the bill!!!

She was born here and should be our responsibility as a UK citizen. Instead we’ve washed our hands of her and made her someone else’s problem. Which just isn’t acceptable. Whether you feel sorry for her or not. I don’t know if I do, but I totally understand why others would.

Why are you feeling sorry for her losing her children? These weren't much loved and wanted babies. These were children she bore for a purpose. That purpose was to raise as terrorists. Then she watched them suffer and die. If any other mother did that, people would want her hung.

There are a lot of criminals I have no sympathy for but they still shouldn’t be stripped of citizenship and other rights. She should be Britain’s problem to deal with.

Then why doesn't Sajid go right ahead and tell us?

Kidnapped, groomed, and three dead children because the government wants to court the right wing press by not allowing her back here. She was radicalised as a child and is being made to pay the price as an adult. Interesting to compare how other countries eg France, Norway, Denmark have dealt with almost identical cases- punishment, rehabilitation and then reintegration into society. Much more civilised way to deal with a child.

Her life has turned out to be the logical outcome of choices she made in full knowledge of the reality of ISIS, only she thought they were going to win.
She wasn’t trafficked, she went of her own free will and deceived many people to get there, thinking she’d be on the winning side and would have lots of virtuous sex with a hot jihadist, so defying her parents while being holier than thou. She enjoyed her time as a “morality enforcer” in Raka and said she wasn’t fazed by seeing decapitated bodies. When it dawned on her the prospects weren’t good after ISIS were routed, she tried a different tube but so far it isn’t working. It’s kind of pathetic seeing the lawyers try and think of the different levers they can pull, human rights, sex trafficking, blah blah. Then get her photographed in a tight top and sunglasses so the world can see she’s now a normal, western- friendly woman.
It’s so facile to say if she’d been white people would be going easy on her.

I think many on here will never ever understand the depravity and indifference. It’s unimaginable the things they have done to most. She does not deserve our sympathy or the ridiculous legal costs.

I think that, at 15, she should have been seen as an exploited child.

Does anybody know who is paying for all these appeals and lawyers? Is it her family?

The tax payer(s)