To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

There was at least one baby that she was photographed with in the camp.

Whether or not she gave birth to him I wouldn't like to guess. I wouldn't trust her not to pick up an orphan child and claim it was her own, just to garner sympathy.

Even if she has lost three babies, how many other children has she been complicit in slaughtering, or rendering orphaned?

If you’re from a poor background then that’s unlikely. You’d be seen as a runaway, a slut, druggie… by the authorities and the police, especially if you were from a background where your parents were known to the authorities like social services and the police.

If white children were immediately rescued then there wouldn’t be child abusing gangs operating in places all over the UK. I’ve read many posts on here and online where posters know the exact areas where it’s happening for years yet nobody rescues these children.

My children are white skinned and blonde. If they went missing, I’m in no doubt that they wouldn’t be treated like the disappearance Madeline McCann but because of where I live, they wouldn’t be treated like the failed often white children in cities like Rotheram, Manchester and Telford.

The fact she was a child is completely irrelevant.

She’s not a child any more, she’s an adult.

And as an adult she has upheld the ideology of ISIS, and she has done. Openly.

So by that logic, John Venibles was “only a child” when he murdered James Bulger. Therefore we presumably can’t hold him responsible for the fact he is back in jail for downloading child abuse images. He was shaped by his childhood after all.

At 10 I don’t think that Venibles and Thompson should have been tried as adults. The fact that the law was changed to try them as adults and to satisfy the public blood lust says it all.

They were both clearly vulnerable children at the time, and questions should have been asked as to how this crime could happen.

But they committed the crime, and they were responsible for having done so. And when they were let out of prison they were both adults, and as such as adults they are and were responsible for the subsequent decisions they have taken in life.

People have less sympathy for two ten year olds than they have for a girl five years older than them. Why is that? Is it because a two year old is closer to home than people out in Syria? So the people being murdered over there aren’t as real? And because she alleged that she had babies who died that makes her more worthy of sympathy.

So she was 15 when she went out there. Now she isn’t. She’s a danger to the UK now and has made that abundantly clear by voicing her terrorist views in public.

Nobody brings out the “he/she is only a child” card when a poster posts here that their child is being bullied by another. And yet a 15 year old who delights in the murder and torture of others needs to be given sympathy. I don’t think so.

I agree. She is our problem. She was radicalised here, and nothing was done. She's not Syrias problem. She is being fed and housed by Syrian Kurds. She was cooking her husbands dinner and having his babies when he came home from a day killing their babies, and now they have to keep her because we aren't. She only showed remorse when ISIS fell.

I understand that but our system is trial, usually a jury, evidence and conviction or acquittal.

Begum as any person accused of terrorism, should go through that process.

The precedent being set is trial by the Government.

I only mentioned it because someone else said that Jewish criminals should be deported to Israel (paraphrasing).

You can keep your "whataboutery" to yourself.

@IwishIcouldfinishabook she's in a prison camp

She can't just walk out onto British transport!

One of the girls she travelled with is dead. No one knows what has happened to the other girl. She hasn't turned up at a refugee camp so possibly dead also.

I don't exactly feel sorry for her, but I think that the decision sets a terrible precedent. The government should not be so easily able to revoke someone's citizenship, especially if they were born here. If they can do it to her, they can do it to others.

I think she’s a complete idiot but she is a British idiot so she should be allowed to come home, even if it is to face terror charges.

Agreed!

Very much agree with this. Because she’s not white people don’t care about her.

Ask the girls in Rochdale how far being white got them.

@MySugarBabyLove Venables and Thompson were released and given a second chance.
Thompson released when he was 18, he has not reoffended.

Begum doesn't even get a trial, let alone a 2nd chance.

I'm not sure it was the correct decision, but I have zero sympathy for her and from an interview with her, some of you have spent far more time feeling bad about the death of her babies than she has. She seems like an unrepentant narcissistic sociopath.

I dislike how she spoke about her 3 dead children by saying "I'm over it now" not even that long after they'd died.
I believe what Andrew Drury says about her and what she's said/how she feels, sorry.
I don't see what motive he has to lie, I do see what motive she has to lie however.

Her best friend who she followed out is still in Syria..... raising funds to reform ISIS....

I read the article on techysheky site about the ruling. Basically because her parents are Bangladeshi citizen, she has the right to apply for citizenship before 21.

She has made her bed now she's got to lie on it. I don't feel sorry for her. I will save my sympathy for the victims of isis.

Edit: and no, she is not a victim before anyone says that

Exactly, Shemima had a choice to make. The Yazidi girls didn't.

I feel sorry that she lost her children. That’s heart-wrenching. However, she’s not shown any remorse or real understanding of why what she did was wrong - and she’s not 15 now! It’s not just what she did, it’s her attitude and her subsequent behaviour as very much an adult.

I too feel sorry for her and am appalled by the decision which is just point scoring. It also sets a precedent, I've never before heard of a British person being stripped of citizenship. If it has happened to her it could happen to anyone.

People are so unforgiving too. She was an impressionable fifteen year old when she went over to the dark side and then went through living hell for a few years.

Where's the love?

Likely she felt nothing over the death of three children because there never were any.

I don’t believe for a second she ever had any babies. Not even the one in the refugee camp.

The question is a) is it lawful to serve in another army of a nation state? Yes unless a state of war exists between that state and the UK b) can you attribute in law a crime committed by a state to an individual? Maybe but you need a trial. c) is Israel an ally of the UK? Yes and no state of war exists d) is there any ground to revoke the citizenship of a UK/Israeli citizen on the ground of national security? No. Israel is the UK's ally in security matters.

Some people seem to think that their moral outrage overrides what the UK actually provides in law and it's foreign policy. It doesn't

I don't. They would just have grown up to be terrorists.

The love??

She is absolutely fine to see a journalists severed head in a rubbish bin.....totally ok with that.....ask the journalists family 'where is the love'

total fucking disgrace. She should be in prison in the UK awaiting trial. Her British child should have received emergency repatriation and treatment and been fostered, probably by her family.
There are many many Isis terrotists in prison in the UK, many not even born here.

IF this woman is so so so dangerous she cannot come the the UK why is it ok to dump her - who is BRITISH - on a war torn country? Why is she their problem.

She never made an application to be refused.