To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

I don’t think the UK handled this properly - she is British and they should have brought her back in the beginning and taken her to trial.
But I am curious about the whole idea of people feeling sorry for her for being 15. I am wondering if people would be feeling the same if she had of been a 15 year old male and groomed to fight - would such a male be welcomed back too?

And who is going to risk their life to go out there and bring her back??

And what about the other British women stuck in those camps?

You are wrong

Dame Sue Carr, the head of the court of appeal, said the judges unanimously dismissed Begum’s appeal: “It could be argued that the decision in Miss Begum’s case was harsh.

It could also be argued that Miss Begum is the author of her own misfortune. But it is not for this court to agree or disagree with either point of view.

Our only task is to assess whether the deprivation decision was unlawful. We have concluded it was not and the appeal is dismissed.”

The original judgement was that:
'they held he was entitled to conclude that fears she posed a risk to national security were more significant because it was “a question of evaluation and judgment” allowed to him in law.'

In other words, the Home Secretary cannot have their opinion challenged, because legally the decision is theirs alone.

Liven up, we would get rid of a lot more terrible people if it wasn't for do gooders like you having the wool pulled over their eyes.
Don't tell me I bet she will say she wants to become a Christian too.

Again.....brought her back how.....??

She's in a Syrian camp.... we are just going to walk in and collect her??

This. She was a child. She was groomed online and exploited it very much feels like victim blaming and they've made an example of her which isn't fair. I understand there needing to be some sort of consequences but I feel this was inappropriately harsh to enforce when she made the decisions she did at as a vulnerable child.

She was a child, groomed and trafficked by unscrupulous men. Her poor parents must be devastated.

Not sorry at all. Best she lays on the bed she made.

@Lavender14 she's now in her 20's and her mindset hasn't changed....she ain't bovvered seeing a journalists severed head in a bin...

Also, I note that some have asked how many men have been deprived of citizenship. Figures from May last year showed that, since 2010, at least 847 people had been deprived of citizenship as they had obtained it fraudulently, and at least 217 had it removed "for the public good". We don't have any breakdown by sex, but it is likely that the majority of the "public good" cases were men.

She was 15, she was trafficked. She has lived a horrific life. Had she been a white girl she’d have been back and it would all be a terribly tragedy. I can’t believe people also think if she came back to the UK that she just be sort of strolling around Tesco or something. She’d be in prison.

She is far far more dangerous abroad, in the hands of more terrorists. And especially as she has been rejected by the UK, and the West in general. Perfect recipe for danger.

That investigation also stated that people who had contact with her believed that she was still a danger and was being funded by Isis IIRC. She still believes in "the cause.", for want of a better term.

And also, there are terrible people in every country in the world. It doesn't mean you wash your hands of responsibility to people when they do something wrong. Even the worst crimes should be punished within the country the person is from. Its not about 'do gooding' its about deciding what sort of society you want to live in. For me an ethical, caring and accountable society is preferable than one who would abandon a child who was groomed and exploited.

While I see your point, sadly, I really don't think that we should pander to the politics of fear. I get what you are saying about keeping our enemies closer, but also why should we?

I said alleged babies earlier and was scorned but you cannot trust that woman. I don't believe any babies existed either. The sympathisers are lapping up everything she claims blindly believing it because she says it so it must be so. She ALSO claimed how seeing beheaded heads in bins didn't bother her, she sewed people into suicide vests etc but funnily enough the sympathisers don't mention those truths...

"For me an ethical, caring and accountable society is preferable than one who would abandon a child who was groomed and exploited."

But she is not a child is she, she is an adult and has been involved in active terrorism and murder, also we have not abandoned her she left.

I am right. Nothing in the text you have reproduced in any way disagrees with my comment. For something to be a question of evaluation and judgement allowed to the SoS in law, any findings of fact must be supported by evidence that can reasonably lead to that finding.

To quote from today's judgement, "SIAC can consider whether the Secretary of State has made findings of fact which are unsupported by any evidence or based on a view of the evidence which could not reasonably be held." If the appellant challenges the SoS findings of fact, the courts will consider if there was adequate evidence to support those findings.

no no no!! she made her bed when she left UK so now she must lie in it!

To quote that first they came text in relation to an isis terrorist who took delight in the beheading and death of others is beyond fucking offensive.

And can you imagine the money she'd make. All over the papers, on every TV channel "My Life As An Isis Bride" etc. She'd likely become a figure for young impressionable people to follow - a hero - and she has no remorse. She'd just lead more children down the same evil jihadist path, IMO.

She's dangerous in so many ways.

I don't think she was groomed by men

She followed her 'best friend' Shaarmina out there. That friend is currently fundraising in order to help IS re group

Nobody is learning lessons

She's in a heavily guarded prison camp.....even if she won her appeal they aren't going to let her out!

I don’t feel a bit sorry for her,she is a terrorist,some of the things she has been quoted as saying send shivers down my spine.

What about them?