To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

Not any more, she's not. Her actions meant she revoked her citizenship. Them's the breaks!

This. She was trafficked as a child, essentially sold to a fighting man >10 years older than her, bore 3 children, and watched them all die. It's utterly disgraceful of the UK government to suggest that she should go to Bangladesh, she's British born and lived here her whole life.

She did a very silly thing, but at 14/15 wasn't mature enough to realise she was being played.

It isn't about 'sympathy'

It is about recognising that the best way of protecting our own rights is to recognise the rights of others.

As I said, I have no idea whether she is impossibly unpleasant person, or a traumatised young person. Her personality is irrelevant to my opinion.

First they came
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

She was 15, at that age you can't marry, you can't vote and you can't live independently. You cannot do these things because you are a child and rightly assumed not to have the competence to do them. I cannot begin to imagine what she has been through, what her mindset was when it all began and what it is now. What I do think is that she did not have the maturity and life experience to comprehend what she was getting into and because she was so young and has now spent the years when most young people mature and learn about life and how the choices they make impact on their futures with terriorists and then in a refugee camp. I think that she should have been returned to the UK, re-educated and then very closely monitored.

@Lifeomars how is she going to be 'returned'??

I think this is true.

The best way to protect our rights in this case is to not house and feed a terrorist.

We’d call it Stockholm Syndrome

She can rot in a ditch for all I care. I'm pissed off at the amount of money this must be costing.

No, it is to say people should not be stripped of citizenship on the basis of a potential citizenship they have never held.

Because there could be a different excuse used to get rid of you

Not sure I feel sorry for her but I don’t think that someone’s citizenship should be removed. She should stand trial and be imprisoned for her crimes.

Exactly

Assuming she has committed crimes.

Don't be ridiculous. They can't just 'get rid of people' willy nilly. I find your use of the (already overused) 'first they came for' mantra wildly inappropriate in this case. To the point of being offensive, actually. This woman is not a victim in any sense.

So what about every thing she has done in the past 10 years? is she not responsible for all her terrorist activities since.

All the defenders of this evil terrorist acting like she is still 15. Yes it was bad she was a young age but it does not change the fact of all the disgusting acts and views she currently holds and has done since.

My sentiments exactly!

Oh come on! She was 100% aware of WHO was giving her the love, attention, belonging she wanted. And where she had to go, and what she had to do and support, to get it. She was 15, a street wise East Londoner with the confidence to break the law and travel to another country! She wasn't kidnapped. The area she lives in is predominantly Bangladeshi (it has Bangla street signs), the school she studied in is primarily Bangladeshi - she was living in her culture and with her people. But that wasn't enough for her - the gentle Islam and cultural practices followed by the Bangladeshi community in East London didn't satisfy her. She was clearly a sociopath even at that age as many behavioural analysts and researchers have declared. And she wanted a life where she could live with other people who shared her sociopathy or at least ignored it. Civilised society was never going to be enough for her - I am very confident, if she hadn't joined ISIS at 15, she would have channeled her hatred into something else criminal.

The argument of her feeling caught between cultures is only made by people who have no idea where she grew up, what the area is like, what her life would have been like. There are sociopaths in other cultures too, just because someone isn't white doesn't make them a victim.

A few people seem to think that the judges did not look at the evidence of terrorism at all and only considered whether the Secretary of State acted within their powers. That is not entirely correct.

The judges will have considered whether the Secretary of State made findings that are unsupported by any evidence or that are based on a view of the evidence that no reasonable person could hold. They have, therefore, decided that there is enough evidence to support the conclusion that she is a threat to national security. That is, however, not the same as saying that they would arrive at that conclusion from the evidence.

Aaron Campbell was only a few months older than Begum when he committed his crimes. Should we feel sorry for him too?

...because they had been killed by terrorists.

Not to mention there hasn't been a trial to examine whether she has committed terrorist acts.

if she has, she should be held to account. But until then the principle of innocent until proved guilty holds - because I want to be given the right of being innocent unless proved guilty. So I am not convicted of anything on the basis of gossip.

This^

How many defenders of Shamima Begum on here want her living next to them in their community or with them? 🤔

How many will continue to defend her if she returned and blew up your family members?

I feel the same. Could not give a flying fck what happens to her.

I don't feel sorry for her at all.