To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

And it is a NO, because even though she was groomed, was very young etc etc, she is breathtakingly arrogant and entitled. Last time - several years ago, she sat there being interviewed, and said 'The UK prime minister is an idiot, he is a fool. He needs to let me back, I am ENTITLED. It's MY country. MINE! How DARE he not allow me back?!'

There was not a SHRED of contrition or remorse, or a single apology. She DEMANDED to be allowed back, after deserting the UK and mixing with terrorists. She is now 24, she is well into adulthood, she made her bed she can lie in it. Basically, she can get tae fuck. She will NEVER be welcome back in the UK.

The fucking cheek or HER! Not only do I not feel sorry for her. I actually do not give a shit about her. I don't believe she even likes this country (the UK.) She just wants to come back because she knows she is better off here than where she is. Tough!

Footnote: Just discovered she has been refused again! HA HA HA! 😆

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Can I suggest that you listen to I am not a monster on BBC sounds. It plays all of her interviews plus a recent interview with the programme.

Personally in my view the decision is 100% correct.
At 15 I knew that beheading people just for being a journalist was wrong. She claimed in the programme that she didn't watch the news in the uk, but obtained information from the people who do called groomed her. Sorry she, a 15 year old UK schoolgirl, did no on line research?
The programme spoke to women who claimed she was part of the morality police and beat other women
But for me it was the comments about the Manchester arena attack that dambed her. She was an adult when she made those statements, one who had lived in a was zone. Sorry but it showed her for what she is. A risk to the uk

It was Dr Clifford Lansley on the discovery plus channel but it was a while ago now, I don't think it's still available. He is a scientific advisor/behavioural analyst for murder cases and he concluded she was absolutely lying. It was pretty convincing. She talked about seeing beheaded heads in a bin with zero emotion or compassion- it was really chilling.

So where’s the outpouring of sympathy for Robert Thompson and John Venibles? I mean they were children when they killed a toddler, and plenty of people were happy to see them tried as adults. Plenty of people think they should have been locked up for life?

the argument that sh was a child no longer exists. She was a child. Now she’s a 24 year old woman. She was an adult when she expressed glee at the murder of the Manchester arena bombing victims.

And I don’t believe there ever were any babies. Even the one they showed on that clip of her in the refugee camp, she was so detached from it I don’t believe it was actually her’s, it was just a convenient baby to have to try to elicit sympathy, and people didn’t buy it.

And amazing isn’t it the number of women on here who swear they could never have an affair (fair enough) seem to think that any of us could become a terrorist. Because sleeping with another man/woman is so much worse than sewing someone into a suicide vest or watching a beheading.

At 15 she knew right from wrong.

And it’s not the same as young white girls who are trafficked in prostitution etc. Many of them are there against their will. Someone who goes to ISIS is there willingly. Someone who gloats at the death of innocent people does so willingly.

Absolutely no sympathy here.

alleged babies ll 🙄

Exactly this. ^ As I said, she has not a shred of remorse and regret, and secretly despises the UK. She only wants to come back because she knows this is a much better place to live than where she is now. She must do! Otherwise why keep begging to come back?!

The decision was NOT made by the security services, it was made by the government. With a view to popularity.

It wasn’t made by the government. It was made by three judges - you know, those legal experts who were labelled “Enemies of the people” not long ago.

This.

They were assessing whether the Home Secretary has the legal right to make that decision.

Not whether the decision was based on evidence of terrorism.

The Bangladeshi's refused her citizenship, as is their right, quite how she would get to a embassy to apply for citizenship is anyones guess.

She is the UK 's problem, not a 3rd world country's, i don't have sympathy either but i do believe in the rule of law.

@OodlesPoodle

This wasn't the sort of 'grooming' where all children want is love, attention, romance

This is exactly what girls like her were told. That she would belong, be valued, be held in esteem, have a role, be loved. Her best friend, someone she trusted, went and was encouraging her to go.

These girls were told all the stuff they were reading about ISIS was a lie. There are plenty of adults who believe that the stuff they read in the Mainstream Media is a lie. If educated adults can be persuaded to believe the MSM lies to them, why on earth do you think a 15 year old girl, being personally targeted, included by someone she trusts, could not be persuaded to believe it was all lies?

SB, like many other people in her situation, feel caught between two cultures, belonging nowhere. The appeal of being told you will belong and you will valued and you will be loved, is a very strong pull.

No, the judges were not deciding whether the decision was 'right', or justified. They were deciding whether the Home Secretary has the power to make that decision. Which they do, whatever the evidence or lack of it

Any input from her parents/carers? Also If she was to be repatriated and prosecuted she’d likely be jailed and emerge at whatever age entitled to be supported by full state benefits - surely the appeals must have cost enough public funded £sd already.

These girls were told all the stuff they were reading about ISIS was a lie

So when she found out it was a lie, why did she say the Manchester bombing was "justified" then? she had had plenty of time to realise her mistake by that point

The shutting down of emotions is not an uncommon trauma response.

@minthybobs good question.....no one will answer it though

I agree. One of the things I always remember about those three girls is that the last thing they did at the airport was to go into Boots and stock up on hair removal stuff. They had been sold the idea that they were going on a romantic adventure to meet brave young men , and what 15 year old wants to meet a dashing young potential boyfriend with her hairy arm pits and legs.

This is not about whether she is a nice person or not.

It is about a UK citizen, who has never held any other citizenship, being stripped of her UK citizenship because she could theoretically apply for citizenship elsewhere.

As I understand it, every Jewish person, whatever their citizenship, has an unrestricted right to immigrate to Israel and get Israeli citizenship. So, under the logic you are using, let's start stripping Jewish UK citizens of their UK citizenship if they commit a serious crime, and deport them to Israel.

I'm sorry and I shouldn't have to say this. But hopefully this sends a big message out to any community which wants to attack the country which welcomes them however they come there, legally, illegally etc. And also to Brits etc who move abroad. Fuck with the laws of that land at your peril. Lie and try to make plans so terrorist groups etc can bomb and kill/hurt people and we will deport you.

I think the emphasis on whether she’s good or bad is misplaced. Plenty of British people do bad things, some far worse than Shamima, and they go to British prisons, as she should. They don’t get their citizenship removed.

Suspect her treatment would be rather different if she were a white girl called Sarah Baker who possibly had dual nationality of a country she didn’t live in. None of which is to say that what she didn’t wasn’t bad- it was- but our prisons are full of bad people who have done bad things 🤷‍♀️ Not sure why removing Shamima’s citizenship is any more “for the public good” than removing that of any of the mass murderers, rapists and child abusers currently doing time.

The shutting down of emotions is not an uncommon trauma response.

It’s also a common sociopath response.

I think these decisions will be taken on information that is not in the public domain, probably because of how it was obtained. Everyone can sit and get all soppy about it but the people making the decisions will know the facts. It’s already known they type of activity that she was involved in and the things she has since said, there will no doubt be much more.

This. Very much so.

I agree.
I didn't but I do now

What? i had no idea she had a trial and at the end of it the punishment was to remove her citizenship and send her to Syria/Kurdistan.

Or did the Home sec make the decision without reference to the courts?

She is stateless, she is our problem and should be tried here and sent to jail, if guilty or do we now punish people who the state believes are a risk, without trial or evidence?
I wonder which countries in the world do that?

Left where she is, IF she is indeed a danger to us all, what do you think she will do?

As I stated in my last post - you should obey the laws of the country in which you live in or go to. Take anyone caught for trafficking drugs in any country which forbids this around the world. Harsh though their sentences may be - execution etc, I think the countries which hand down their sentences are justified in doing so, because it's the laws of their countries and they also know the devastation drugs bring to their countries.