To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

Does anyone know what happened to the other girl she travelled with? Why has one girl attracted all the negative publicity and others haven't??

@DragonFly98 - Not anymore she isn't.
I have zero sympathy for her.

They all died

@phishy Can you please stop pushing the narrative its because of her skin colour and that she was groomed.

All those who are comparing her to other groomed girls are spectacularly missing the point.

The UK The Security Service has already advised that the threat from individuals who returned to the United Kingdom from ISIL-controlled territory could manifest itself in a number of ways:
(1) involvement in ISIL-directed attack planning,
(2) involvement in ISIL enabled attacks,
(3) radicalising and recruiting UK-based associates,
(4) providing support to ISIL operatives, and
(5) posing a latent threat to the United Kingdom.

In relation to the first of these possibilities, the Security Service’s assessment was that the United Kingdom was a priority target for ISIL terrorist activity. In relation to the second possibility, the statement noted that ISIL encouraged women to carry out attacks.

Any individual, male or female, who returned to the United Kingdom having spent a prolonged period of time in ISIL-controlled territory was likely to have developed the capability to carry out an attack.

At the end of the day, even if initially she was wrongly groomed, the person she has become and trained to be is not the same person. Why cannot you get your simple minds round this.

That young girl at 15 is no longer the same person she is a threat to all our safety.

Why would they have? They never left the country. They never rejected their nationality.

None of that is relevant to whether a 15-year-old knows if terrorism is right or wrong.

That and welcoming her as a victim is what they seem to want!

They're believed to be dead.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/shamima-begum-friends-amira-abase-kadiza-sultana-syria-b1022023.html#:~:text=That%20was%20also%20the%20age,you%20know%2C%20coming%20to%20ISIS.

She was a lonely, groomed 15 year old with a father who wasn't paying attention. Citizenship was removed by a showboating government. She's a UK responsibly and should be allowed to come home. Ankle tag, whatever. I repeat she was 15.

15 year olds know very little and are easily influenced.

I also feel sorry for her. It would be a different story if she was white.

@Sharptonguedwoman she was 15.... she's not anymore, yet she still shows no remorse and is ok seeing severed heads. Yeah she's cool with that...

"What about" is a logical fallacy and has nothing to do with the conversation. Anyone who is concerned about this case should start a thread about it so that it can be discussed there.

I totally agree

The British government raised this child. She was born here, went to school here, was groomed here. She's a British responsibility.
You raised your child and they act up you can't claim they aren't yours. You might not like it but they are.

Indeed. And a lot of the information they have is high security and can't be released to the public. The courts will be informed in camera for reasons of state security.

Oh well that explains it then, let's just give her a slap on the wrist and an ankle tag. Honestly! 🙄

So how does an ankle tag prevent her doing the following?

(1) involvement in ISIL-directed attack planning,
(2) involvement in ISIL enabled attacks,
(3) radicalising and recruiting UK-based associates,
(4) providing support to ISIL operatives, and
(5) posing a latent threat to the United Kingdom.

And are you expecting the UK public to fund not only the current 5 million, legal costs but all the subsequent legal costs and security costs to monitor her for the rest of her days? are you giving up your NHS care and your families fund this cost,🙄

Intersection is important here. My understanding is that by and large they were poor and had little or no adult protection. This was not the case with Shamima. She seems to have had an engaged family who at the time were horrified and attempted to get her back. If they were all white, there absolutely would be more sympathy.

Samantha Lewthwaite. Look her up.

Shes being made an example of, which is shit for her, but necessary to prevent others doing the same.

We are so soft in this country all the time, I'm glad we are sticking to our guns for once! Certain things you just can't come back from and this is one of them.

The other 2 are believed to be dead.

Shamima was found in a camp and was trying to arrange to come home, which is why she has attracted the negative publicity.

No one has heard from the others in years. If they were alive and trying to come home they would have attracted the same negative publicity.

It shows that according to the government some British citizens are second class citizens - usually those with brown skins.

She wasn't a dual citizen, she never held any other citizenship than the UK. She was born here and grew up here. She was radicalised here as a teenager.

If she has committed any crimes she should be put on trial for them - but is innocent until proved guilty, just as any other accused person is.

The government is scraping the barrel, it is purely a political decision to desperately try to get some support from those who don't see people with brown skin as 'properly' British

Which UN convention is this? The word "the" suggests that there is only one.

The important thing, surely, is that she was a British citizen, and governments shouldn't start removing citizenship from people, however ghastly they are. Bring her back to the UK and give her a fair trial.