To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

I thought she had dual citizenship ?

But she isn't now..... and her views are still the same 🤷‍♀️

I have worked with people who have been groomed, it’s an effective psychological technique that causes self doubt. Groomed is misunderstood, it needs to explained as what it was eg manipulation and then coercion to change behaviour, beliefs, and put that individual upon a certain trajectory of actions and expectations

This....absolutely this. She's a danger to national security. She is a remorseless terrorist. Her abhorrent actions mean she is no longer a British citizen.

I thought she wasn't a citizen because it wasn't applied for when she was a child and it can't be done now she's an adult.

I do feel sorry for her. The people who groomed her have stolen her life. I just think of who and what she could’ve been had they just left her alone.

She is the UK’s problem and as ever we are accountable for nothing. Children of various different backgrounds are being radicalised at worrying levels. This is an ongoing problem. Is our plan to kick them all into the sea?

To me, the worse thing was that no one was unaware of the chances of survival for children in those camps. They knew she was pregnant and while they were busy politicking they allowed a British baby to die. What she has done is terrible, there is a risk so I personally am not advocating for her to have complete freedom but refusing to repatriate her is wrong.

I do. I was groomed when I was 15. But I was able to rebuild my life.

Shamima, on the other hand, had seen nothing but suffering and death since her grooming, including watching her three infant children die in refugee camps. The other girls who were groomed with her are now also dead.

The lack of compassion for the way her life turned out because of one bad decision she made when still a child is just staggering.

Nope, I have no sympathy for terrorists. Everyone feeling sorry for her needs to get a grip, 15 years old is old enough to know right from wrong. I don't believe she could be rehabilitated and is a threat to the UK. She could brainwash others. National security is more important than letting some terrorist sympathiser back in the country. Keep her out.

No, not a dual citizen

She is a jihad tourist and colonialist. She knowingly went to be part of a violent theocratic movement which was brutally subjugating the people of a country she had absolutely no connection with.

If Isis hadn't fallen, she would be sitting in Syria or Iraq right now as a happy citizen of the Islamic State, and raising the next generation of extremists.

Yes - the girls targeted by the Muslim grooming gangs were really well protected by the British police and government.

@Trulyme I am really sorry I think I misunderstood your post and that you were saying you didnt believe you dd could do this however easily led she was.

I am so sorry I laid into you.

And yet a 15 year old is mature enough to agree to top surgery and hormones to change sex ? You can’t have it both ways .

@phishy / but if she appeals and wins at the Supreme Court this previously malign and manipulated system will be wise and not naive? Truly, you are insightful

phishy - Of course the Appeal Court has to listen to evidence from the Government and the security services. The security services know an awful lot of information about who is a security risk than the general public do.

Do you feel the same about all children that are groomed then? Where do you decide whether they are at fault or not? She was 15, do you think she could have left once she got there?

Begum WAS a Bangladeshi citizen when the UK stripped her UK citizenship.

Can we just be clear on that?

Whether it was morally right or not to deny her UK citizenship - and I can’t see why it was morally wrong - it was lawful. And it’s happened to others.

key word, knowingly she was groomed she didn’t engage with full knowledge or capacity

Begum has become stateless, which should not be permitted under international law.

This is the crux of it for me. It's all very well to be all "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" when it's the consequence of an action most of us can condemn. But it sets a dangerous precedent and we should all be able to rely on our government to act within the law.

It’s automatic until 21. She was 19 when denied UK citizenship.

I think she should be allowed back to the UK and go through whatever legal process terrorists normally go through. I don't have much sympathy but she is our problem to deal with.

And if it was the other way around and she was raised and radicalised in Bangladesh and she got stripped of that and they were saying she has citizenship of the UK everyone would be saying that's nonsense.

Now what happens is Syria have to put with her which isn't fair.

She was raised and radicalized in the UK so she should be a UK problem.

Because allegedly there is evidence she is a threat . So what do we do ignore that and just “ keep and eye “ on her ?

This makes me so cross too. There are loads of terrorists living in the UK currently, and causing absolute havoc with hate speech on the streets, threats to MPs and goodness knows what else they're planning. Some might be refugees too. Shamima Begum, however, is a British girl who was groomed and trafficked. I think they are making a scapegoat out of her as if to show how tough we are on terrorists.

How can it be morally right? It's the UK's problem, the U.K. allowed it to happen. Legal or not, it's morally wrong to dump the UK's problem elsewhere. Why should another country clear up our mess?