To feel sorry for Shamima Begum?

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I do, I’m afraid. I think she should be able to come home. She was 15! Have any men been stripped of their citizenship that we know about?

YABU. 15 is old enough to have basic morals and principles. She deserves no respect, no forgiveness, no happiness for the disgusting choices she's made.

The precedent this case sets is very worrying. There are many children in the Uk and out, who have been groomed and exploited into making very horrible decisions. If this rule was applied universally, the same parents here condemning this girl would be crying to every paper that would listen. This was solely a populist, with a splash of racism decision.
We should all be very worried about our children’s fate if they fall into this circumstance, it is not as impossible as you would like to believe.

Its not! Under the the UN convention, it is illegal to make one stateless... The UK shouold not have done it.

Whether you sympathise with her or not she is (or was) a British Citizen. She is the UK's responsibility and she should face the UK justice system. It blows my mind that politicians think it's OK to just wash their hands and treat her as somebody else's problem.

That’s wrong - even according to the BBC itself:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47312207.amp

The Bangladeshi government has ignored its own law. That’s understandable. But our government is not acting unlawfully.

I do wish people would stop saying she was groomed. That’s a term from the field of sexual abuse and is completely outside anything relevant to a volunteer terrorist. Radicalised maybe, but not groomed.

As for the race angle, Samantha Lewthwaite is a white British Jihadi terrorist. She’s probably living in Yemen. If the government could strip her citizenship I’m sure they would.

They mean other young terrorists, clearly. To call that monster a child is a joke.

@bombastix and @HRTea the IDF may not be a terrorist organisation but many of its actions are. I don’t think it’s acceptable that you can go off from the UK and fight in a situation like Gaza, and come back like you ve been on holiday. Complete with souvenirs looted from Palestinian homes, and videos of your exploits to show your chums on social media. Shamima was wrong definitely but I also believe she’s been ‘made an example of’. Nice easy target!

I don't have sympathy for her but I am disgusted that the government think it's OK to dump her on another country when she is the UK's problem.

Why is it irrelevant though? If we're working on the basis that people who join a terrorist organisation should be deprived of their citizenship?

If you think the court of appeal don't do what the government and security services tell them to do then you're unutterably naive.

Then your own children must be monsters too if you think children are monsters.

She was a child though. 15 is a child.

My children aren't terrorists. If they were, they would quite rightly be monsters, yes.

Perhaps its just a coincidence that you're brown and wouldn't take away her citizenship.

But if your child had been groomed into sexual exploitation then you would be singing a very different tune. And you would be in tears at them being called a monster.

sorry? Not particularly. I also wonder what her position would be if ISIS had not been smashed to pieces.

completely agree

Begum was both groomed and radicalised. Groomed is a psychological technique to disorientate and introduce ideologies, behaviour and values to a vulnerable person initially by stealth and always on a pretext of goodwill,or love,or relationship . Gangs using grooming, scammers using grooming, terrorists using grooming

Bangladesh acted unlawfully. It wants a generous citizenship policy so automatically by law confers it on the children of citizens- but not in this case because it doesn’t suit.

Do you really have such a low opinion of your DD that you think she'd agree to join a death cult, steal money and a passport and then tell the world that she didn't particularly mind seeing severed heads in bins? Really???

There's easily led and then there's plain evil.

However- since quite understandably Bangladesh don't want her (don't her parents live there?) SB is unfortunately our problem and we have 2 choices.... We either leave her exactly where she is or bring her home, show the world the evidence then stick her in a cell and chuck away the key. I'd actually go for the second option so we know where she is and what she's doing.

I've no sympathy at all for her although my heart breaks for her poor babies and those she helped to kill.

Oh and obviously the lawyers want to carry on they are being paid mega bucks by the tax payer.

The court made the right decision.

Not under Begum's circumstances. I would have nothing to do with a terrorist like her, child or not. There are no excuses and no forgiveness when it comes to a crime of this scale

Agree - and I do think that she is a serious danger to this country.

Trafficked? Who knows - but she will certainly be brainwashed into Islamist fundamentalism by now. For a long time she stood by her Islamist compatriots - it was only when she realised that her honesty meant that she wouldn't be allowed in to the UK that she made an about face and started wearing western dress and claiming she was trafficked.

There was a very in depth radio series about her (it may still be available on "Sounds") and IIRC most people who had contact with her were convinced that she was still deeply Islamist, and also she was being financially supported by ISIS.

Yes , there are government departments involved that don’t have to release their evidence . They have decide she is a risk .Why can’t she go back with her family to Bangladesh ?

I'm one of those 'sympathisers'. I don't think she's lovely and innocent - I'm horrified and appalled at her crimes. I still feel sorry for her. It isn't either/or.

Yes. She was 15.