to be fed up with homophobia on MN

[smittenkitten]

today there was the thread about being 'uncomfortable' with a secondary school telling kids it's OK to be gay. a short while ago there was a post about someone being freaked out by two women kissing on a bus.

calling it being 'uncomfortable' is still homophobia. we wouldn't tolerate racism on here - imagine "i'm concerned that my DC's school wants to say it's OK to be black". the OP would be rightly slammed, but instead the queers on MN have to put up with people defending bigotry saying that people are entitled to have a POV etc.

Freedom of speech does not include the right to victimise and marginalise others for their race, religion, sexuality, age or other irrelevant attributes. I don't think its unreasonable to want MN to be a safe space where we don't have to deal with homophobia.

Desi - as I understand it never without guilt and confession afterwards

Wisteria - you are confused & I have no time

oh yes - my Dad spends hours in the confessional box and then goes off with different men Desi is right - what a crock of shite!!

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I'm not remotely confused actually Upwind but you can think that as you have no time!!

One last post: there is nothing ridiculous about being bigoted against bigots. Bigotry is simply intolerance of identities, opinions or lifestyles that differ from your own. It seems reasonable that some identities can themselves be intolerant, especially religious or cultural ones.

I strongly believe that we should not try to police other peoples thoughts, but instead their actions. We might not be able to do much about institutional misogyny within certain communities - but here in the UK there are laws against discrimination & and honour crimes are at least treated as such.

Bloody hell, I decide to get a bit of a life for once and all hell breaks loose on here!!

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I don't think Musmnetters are homophobic. I haven't read all the thread but in all the time I have been on musmnet I have only read the one post about 2 women snogging on a bus (the op was saying she hates seeing couples snogging publicly), and the OP clearly pointed out she didn't want to see ANY couple snogging not just same sex couples.

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YABU. I think the vast majority of posters expressed anti-homophobic views.

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MF what exactly is your problem? I remember you from the 'women snogging on a bus' thread and you were exactly the same on that thread.

I haven't noticed any homophobic remarks on Mumsnett, only people saying that they do not want to see couples snogging publicly -that is not being homophobic surely??

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Apologies if there have been people making homophobic remarks ( I only skimmed quickly through this thread), it's just I haven't noticed any.

yes, where is smittenkitten exactly? and where are the plethora of homophobic remarks? i know one poster's gone off on one, certainly, but where else?

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i missed it too, MF, where is all this homophobia lurking on MN?
one person, who has probably never been challenged to think about the issues, took a hell of a beating this morning when a few simple questions would likely have burst her bubble more effectively.

one other person has lost the plot. where's all this homophobia? what i saw this morning were so many people fighting to show how 'right on' they were that they forgot that the idea is to bring people with you, not to bully them into holding even more entrenched views.

I think it is interesting to discuss these things and not have a blanket everyone must think x or they are homophobic.
We need to give people space to express their views openly and not feel they all have to tow the same line.
By doing this, we all learn and evolve together and therefore are enlightened

smittenkitten, has not posted since she started thread.

smittenkittne is probably MotherFunk?

Only read the last few posts, but Shaniece the bus thread was not quite like that. It started with a highly homophobic thread title and an implicitly homophobic OP. Once the OPer realised that she was in for a rough ride, she quickly backtracked and started saying that her problem was with the public snogging, not the gayness of the public snogging. But not all of us were convinced.

There's not a lot of homophobia on MN, but there is some casual, crappy homophobia - references to 'lezzers' and so on. But a lot less than in society at large.

Shaneice, i remember your attitude on that thread too. The thread was not really homophobic as many posters have pointed out, but some posters seem to want to turn that into a antigay thread.

I find you quite offencive right now.

Just lay off Motherfunk will you.