to be fed up with homophobia on MN

[smittenkitten]

today there was the thread about being 'uncomfortable' with a secondary school telling kids it's OK to be gay. a short while ago there was a post about someone being freaked out by two women kissing on a bus.

calling it being 'uncomfortable' is still homophobia. we wouldn't tolerate racism on here - imagine "i'm concerned that my DC's school wants to say it's OK to be black". the OP would be rightly slammed, but instead the queers on MN have to put up with people defending bigotry saying that people are entitled to have a POV etc.

Freedom of speech does not include the right to victimise and marginalise others for their race, religion, sexuality, age or other irrelevant attributes. I don't think its unreasonable to want MN to be a safe space where we don't have to deal with homophobia.

...the only homophobe in the village...

you are wrong, aitch. she is early twenties

and btw, I am mid twenties (rapidly cannon-balling into late twenties). Does that mean my view, or in fact, the views of anyone under, say 30, are of no value ?

"less extroverted, probably not as exciting as some people's, and more 'plain'"

and all that judged and assumed if people don't like to watch public snogging

Blimey, that's quite a bigoted view

Happy to confess that I don't like public snogging and am a sexual introvert

Am also very old if this thread's owt to go by.

That's why I think it's such a strange comment Aitch - what possible difference would it make to someone's opinions?? I know a whole heap of people of all ages who hold intelligent & informed and conversely bigoted & stupid opinions. Age rarely comes into it (in my opinion) and FWIW, in my circles, the majority of people who view the world in B&W are generally older (over 50).

Message withdrawn

Message withdrawn

MF "I appreciate and accept all different kinds of lifestyle, and different kinds of people."

Many people don't approve of gay people having sex with one another for religious reasons. Are you accepting of them?

If not it would seem that you are bigoted against muslims and catholics for a start...

Well I must be twice MFs age and I still think the kissing on the bus thread was homophobic and I'm glad it got the reception it deserved from most people.

As for ANY kissing in public, I have nothing against that at all (though I take the point someone made about personal space and not wanting someone practically leaning over them)

Some of the way such kissing was described did remind me of the way very young kids might view it "oh look they're kissing! yuck - eeeuw" etc which always makes me smile

Upwind, it is not bigotted to disapprove of groups that have a stated purpose and views - if it's that purpose and those views you are disapproving of.

I disapprove of the BNP because of what they do and what they encourage others to do.

So yes I disapprove of catholics and muslims who want us to stone gay people.

Message withdrawn

I'm not keen on PDA's once it gets past teen-age personally, I think that a little self control can be a good thing.
I also think all that frustration at not snogging my fella on the bus must be what gives me such an explosive sex life

I don't think the op was actually homophobic on the schools thread, just a bit about children of 12 discussing sexuality, she also seemed to take a lot on board from what I read but of course that goes against the spirit of people getting their knickers in a twist On Behalf of someone else, which of course we all know is the most righteous position to be in so it must continue to be allowed.

I find it quite hilarious that if you don't get all warm and fuzzy when greeted with some spotty twosome dry humping in public then you must be a prude.

I personally think kissing in public is often very nice but I think saying that how people react to public snogging indicates an impoverished sex life is a bit twatty.
Some people regard kissing as private. Some people just want, at that moment to drink their cappucino.
Being private and being prudish are two very different things.
To suggest otherwise is pretty small minded and suggests a very narrow view of sexuality - which is quite ironic really.
It is a bit like being a teenager who thinks that their generation invented sex.

They did pagwatch!
Grown-ups don't Do It

Very true Vic.
I remember my DS's ( aged 14)reaction when over the course of one weekend he found out that my mother ( in hers 70's) had a boyfriend and had just bought some underwear for ...... best.
His whole belief system lay in a tangled heap on the floor

Message withdrawn

IIRC the OP said she was uncomfortable. Sad definitely, but uncomfortable is a long way from horrified etc, and admitting it is the first step to changing how you feel, no?

True Peachy, from what I saw the OP was actually one of the more open to change OP's I've seen in a while, but the thread seemed to just carry on regardless and as per usual turned into a 'I'm better and more tolerant than you' thread.

Fair enough.
And I was just saying that that is a huge leap in logic that does not make any sense. Social norms/rules do not usually relate to sexuality - or we would have died out during the Victorian era.

I know it was a drift away from the OP but sometimes these threads evolve don't they?

What the hell does MF's age have to do with anything?

I have seen some real idiots on these boards and I'm SURE they're in their 30s and 40s......

Message withdrawn

MF - you so are young!! but be proud of it........

MF, there's no need to justify yourself.