Please can someone say what labours manifesto is?

[Gymnoob]

Hi,

Looks like no choice but to vote labour this time. No idea what they actually stand for. I have listened to Kier and various things still none the wiser. I don’t know whether this is because they have less air time as the opposition or something else.

If anyone can sum up very briefly the 3 main policies or changes they will make.

To do the conservative comparison I would have said they wanted to;
Lower taxes (and plunge the £ into panic)
‘Fix’ the nhs
Have an odd obsession with sending everyone to Rwanda

But I can’t make a comparison for labour because no idea!

Thank you

Thanks for telling me what I think.
As usual with your style of poster, in no way did I say I wasn't interested in another point of view - but the fact is that Rishi deserves little to zero credit for inflation, and neither would Starmer or anyone else in the same circumstances.

Don't judge others by your own standards.

He won that election because he was going “to get Brexit done”. He was an appalling PM, including being hopelessly indecisive, delivering a dogs dinner of a Brexit deal and behaving disgracefully during the pandemic.

Being indecisive is something you castigate Starmer for but apparently Johnson’s bumbling, hopeless, indecisive mess of a government was a success 🤦‍♀️.

Their manifesto is that they've got a clear plan. What that is, I don't think anyone knows, but it seems to revolve around just not being the Tories or anything else for that matter.

You do understand that they were all Tories? I’m talking about proper changes of government not just the Tories inability to find a leader they can support 🙄.

Labour’s 5 Missions are here: https://labour.org.uk/missions/

Though honestly all I need to know is that they are not a bunch of kleptocratic arseholes who don’t give a shit about any of us like the current lot.

I’m very glad it wasn’t Corbyn especially due to ME situation

It looks like Labour have realised to win it needs to move to centre. Many things between the two parties are the same

This is a really excellent post. If it wasn't for the anti-public sector attitude of this government we could have a lot of high quality jobs in things like the Police, immigration and illegal working enforcement too.

No, that is of course completely different.

@Jovacknockowitch and the anti public sector attitude from this government permeates into the electorate too. You only have to see social media posts on local authorities, teachers, etc to see the contempt in which the electorate holds the public sector, encouraged by the “money is all that matters” attitudes of the tories.

Yes of course they’re moving to the centre - this is what won Blair 3 elections. They won’t have as much middle ground with the tories now as the Tories have lurched so far to the right.

Yep they’ve finally learnt after a few defeats

Some stuff like no bonus caps or no increase on child benefit are the same

There isn’t much in it so far bar VAT policy for one and deterrence for traffickers on the other, and gender stuff

@ShareTheDuvet that is such a salient point. The toxic discourse against anything public sector is the first thing that needs to be overturned, Public sector workers do some of the most valuable jobs that keep society going and they get relentlessly slated by this government and treated as if they're not taxpayers! Victoria Atkins' utter disrespect towards junior doctors, talking about them as if they're 16 year old school leavers with some dodgy GCSEs was an absolute low point.

@pointythings I think it’s hard wired into Tory politicians to believe money is all that motivates anyone. Given a lot of public sector workers are not particularly well paid, do hard stressful jobs and face a lot of abuse from the public, the Tories can’t understand why anyone would voluntarily do the job. It suits their agenda to write them off as lazy and useless rather than dedicated professionals who deserve to be appropriately rewarded for their work.

@Jovacknockowitch when I've got time I will post my own manifesto- lol- I'm very centre ground - I like business, I like making money, I like politics, I also like a functioning society- I think we are far too soft on some people we shouldn't be and not nearly supportive enough as a country when we need to be- be that with hard working but not necessarily highly paid people or the public sector or young people trying their best to get a start. Our spell living in Copenhagen was interesting and it was easy to see why things are easier for most people on average (by Danish standards) earnings- but it takes a different mindset to what has become the norm in the UK and it's one that certainly doesn't favour the selfish nor if I'm honest does it favour women who want long periods of not working at all -

It seems:

Force private schools to close - except the really push ones.

Ban fox hunting even more.

@Jovacknockowitch I also think our system is stopping good people going into politics - the pressure is immense and you have to have the skin of a rhinoceros and I think this favours men-

I agree

I felt desperately sorry for Teresa May despite never having voted Tory as she definitely was given a tougher time because she’s a woman.

@Jovacknockowitch I don't agree with all her views but she did at least appear not to be 'off her rocker' and relatively sensible

I think Theresa May did a lot of things wrong - that 'Citizens of Nowhere' speech should never have happened! - but it's horrifying the way she now looks like the sane face of the Tory party.

And she wasn't a liar.

Perhaps you are unaware that Keir Starmer and Liz Kendall have said that these Tory measures "don't go far enough".
Labour are no better on this than the Tories.

Do you have a link please?