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Please can someone say what labours manifesto is?

234 replies

Gymnoob · 20/02/2024 11:20

Hi,

Looks like no choice but to vote labour this time. No idea what they actually stand for. I have listened to Kier and various things still none the wiser. I don’t know whether this is because they have less air time as the opposition or something else.

If anyone can sum up very briefly the 3 main policies or changes they will make.

To do the conservative comparison I would have said they wanted to;
Lower taxes (and plunge the £ into panic)
‘Fix’ the nhs
Have an odd obsession with sending everyone to Rwanda

But I can’t make a comparison for labour because no idea!

Thank you

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RafaistheKingofClay · 21/02/2024 09:25

I think at this point even just a policy of less corruption would be a massive improvement. Don’t mind paying taxes or even some more taxes but I’d rather it wasn’t sitting in the offshore accounts of Tory mates and was doing something useful to improve life for people in this country.

If you want a reasonable idea of where Labour stand the Tory cost of living payments were a watered down and less well funded version of a policy Labour had tried to get through parliament on an opposition day motion about 1 month and 6 months before the Tories decided it was a good idea to take the heat out of bad publicity.

ShareTheDuvet · 21/02/2024 09:25

@pointythings absolutely agree!

pointythings · 21/02/2024 09:27

@ShareTheDuvet these posts pop up every time the government is looking worse than usual, so there was bound to be a spate of them today after the latest chapter in the Post Office saga. I see it as a sign of Tory desperation. Still going to challenge it every time though. Lies need calling out.

ShareTheDuvet · 21/02/2024 09:27

@MayThe4th of course they will, because they’ll be in government. Doesn’t mean they won’t have tried to improve things - doesn’t mean they won’t be better than this shit show. Such a ludicrous reductionist argument.

ShareTheDuvet · 21/02/2024 09:30

@pointythings I’m right here with you 😄. Yes the latest vile behaviour by Badenoch just adds her to the list of lying scumbag ministers prepared to do anything to cling to power and not give away any money that they have ring fenced for their mates.

See also the horrendous information shared on the Joe Lycett documentary about our privatised water supply 🤬.

IClaudine · 21/02/2024 09:32

Agree hugely with all the last few posters.

Janiie · 21/02/2024 09:35

kitfree1 · 20/02/2024 22:32

He's a massive joke isn't he and that's without his big faux cheesy grin.

ShareTheDuvet · 21/02/2024 09:39

@Janiie massive joke in what way?

IClaudine · 21/02/2024 09:40

I wouldn't bother @ShareTheDuvet , I really wouldn't.

ShareTheDuvet · 21/02/2024 09:41

kitfree1 · 21/02/2024 07:52

Waves back!
Are we in the playground?

It is important to remember that the alternative to those 14 years of Tory government would have been a government led by Jeremy Corbyn. Now we have the choice between an experienced and intelligent Prime Minister and someone who supported Corbyn for a long time.

And Sunak supported a government run by Johnson, one of the very worst prime ministers we’ve had the misfortune to be “governed” by. Your point?

ShareTheDuvet · 21/02/2024 09:42

@IClaudine I know. It’s just so ridiculous. I know we’ll be rid them by the end of the year but god it’s going to be a long year and still so much pain for so many vulnerable people 😢.

Janiie · 21/02/2024 09:44

ShareTheDuvet · 21/02/2024 09:39

@Janiie massive joke in what way?

Well, read the article the pp posted. He changes his opinion like the weather. King Flip Flop.

talksettings1 · 21/02/2024 09:45

AndThatWasNY · 20/02/2024 12:43

My take on Labour's main policies for the ones that affect me

  1. Steady the economy. Make it better for the less well off.
  2. Improve public services (start reinvesting in NHS/education/police/nationalise the railways/water)
  3. Start building council houses again and more house building in general.
  4. Invest in green energy (though not enough)
  5. Improve childcare and apprenticeships

I'm always very interested in how all this will be funded.

Janiie · 21/02/2024 09:48

ShareTheDuvet · 21/02/2024 09:42

@IClaudine I know. It’s just so ridiculous. I know we’ll be rid them by the end of the year but god it’s going to be a long year and still so much pain for so many vulnerable people 😢.

Yes yes Labour will get in, I don't think anyone is suggesting otherwise. However our problems will really begin having Starmer attempting ro the run the show. He's like a rabbit in the headlights as it is.

So much pain for vulnerable people? You do know benefits increased by 10% last year even non means tested PIP ? You do know about all the cost of living payments etc?

IClaudine · 21/02/2024 09:49

ShareTheDuvet · 21/02/2024 09:42

@IClaudine I know. It’s just so ridiculous. I know we’ll be rid them by the end of the year but god it’s going to be a long year and still so much pain for so many vulnerable people 😢.

Yep. But some people think it is all just a laugh.

pointythings · 21/02/2024 09:50

A 10% increase when inflation is running at over 10% is not actually an increase, is it?

IClaudine · 21/02/2024 09:52

So much pain for vulnerable people? You do know benefits increased by 10% last year even non means tested PIP ? You do know about all the cost of living payments etc?

If I said what I really think in response to this, I would get banned. Taking the piss like this tells me a lot about you, janiie. None of it good.

RafaistheKingofClay · 21/02/2024 09:54

You do know about all the cost of living payments etc?

What the ones Labour suggested months before the Tories did funded by taxing the oil companies profits. Which even the oil companies agreed with and said the Tories could and should have taxed them more on that. Tories don’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to CoL payments. The Labour plan was much better.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 21/02/2024 09:55

kitfree1 · 20/02/2024 21:15

Sorry, but I couldn't resist highlighting how absolutely risible this is coming from someone extolling the virtues of the party which gave us Truss and May.

8 years of unprecedented popularity, trounced the opposition at every single election she lead the SNP through, and resigned at the moment of her choice.

Truss - destroyed the economy and her political career in a matter of hours, resigned in disgrace.

May - turned David Cameron's Brexit mistake into a national disaster thanks to her own lack of political ability, and let her fear of the right of her own party completely override any notion of governing in the national interest. Called a needless GE an lost her own majority. Another abject failure of a PM.

Not surprising though that a Tory supporter is entirely incapable of discerning what makes a successful female leader, given recent history, and the utter dregs serving in the current catastrophic shambles of a government.

RafaistheKingofClay · 21/02/2024 09:56

pointythings · 21/02/2024 09:50

A 10% increase when inflation is running at over 10% is not actually an increase, is it?

Especially when food inflation is well over 10% and that will affect those with the least disposable income the most.

Janiie · 21/02/2024 10:03

pointythings · 21/02/2024 09:50

A 10% increase when inflation is running at over 10% is not actually an increase, is it?

Well its 4% now. 10% inflation wasn't ever a permanent thing you know.

coffeeteac · 21/02/2024 10:04

Jovacknockowitch · 20/02/2024 11:38

This perpetual "I don't know what they stand for" is getting a bit tiresome.

I agree it is utterly pathetic and I always suspect it's only said by people who would never vote Labour anyway.

This absolutely

Janiie · 21/02/2024 10:05

IClaudine · 21/02/2024 09:52

So much pain for vulnerable people? You do know benefits increased by 10% last year even non means tested PIP ? You do know about all the cost of living payments etc?

If I said what I really think in response to this, I would get banned. Taking the piss like this tells me a lot about you, janiie. None of it good.

Edited

How is it 'taking the piss'? I have a very vulnerable relative. They got a 10% increase in PIP and ESA. Fact. I do not take the piss out of disabled people.

IClaudine · 21/02/2024 10:05

Janiie · 21/02/2024 10:03

Well its 4% now. 10% inflation wasn't ever a permanent thing you know.

The 10% is still there, it hasn't vanished or reversed. Prices aren't, going down, they are just now rising more slowly.

ShareTheDuvet · 21/02/2024 10:06

Janiie · 21/02/2024 09:48

Yes yes Labour will get in, I don't think anyone is suggesting otherwise. However our problems will really begin having Starmer attempting ro the run the show. He's like a rabbit in the headlights as it is.

So much pain for vulnerable people? You do know benefits increased by 10% last year even non means tested PIP ? You do know about all the cost of living payments etc?

Your last paragraph is truly staggering. You have no idea.