Please can someone say what labours manifesto is?

[Gymnoob]

Hi,

Looks like no choice but to vote labour this time. No idea what they actually stand for. I have listened to Kier and various things still none the wiser. I don’t know whether this is because they have less air time as the opposition or something else.

If anyone can sum up very briefly the 3 main policies or changes they will make.

To do the conservative comparison I would have said they wanted to;
Lower taxes (and plunge the £ into panic)
‘Fix’ the nhs
Have an odd obsession with sending everyone to Rwanda

But I can’t make a comparison for labour because no idea!

Thank you

Yes but prices aren’t going down again they are still rising so 10% is the bare minimum needed to break even. The fact it’s 4% now means payments will need to increase again just by less this time.

Oh inflation is still 10%? Who knew. Have you informed the banks?

What did you mean by "even non means tested PIP"as if raising PIP in line with inflation was somehow unreasonable?

Perhaps think about how you phrase things if you don't want people to get the wrong impression.

@Janiie anecdotes don’t make data. I’m pleased your vulnerable relative is feeling supported - the vast majority don’t. And we’re not just talking about those with disabilities but also those with caring responsibilities, mental health issues, the homeless, and so on. They have suffered beyond measure under this government and continue to do so as public spending is cut to the bone.

Sigh. Prices at one point were up by 10%. Did they then drop by 10%? No.

'Your last paragraph is truly staggering. You have no idea.'

A pp said vulnerable people had suffered so much pain. I, having a relative who is vulnerable, pointed out PIP and ESA had been increased by 10%. That is a good thing. Nothing staggering about that.

That’s not how inflation works - the rises are still there, they haven’t fallen they’re just rising more slowly. Worth reading up about how inflation works - many people get it wrong which Sunak knows and exploits.

One relative doesn’t prove your point - that’s what “anecdotes aren’t data” means.

Sigh. Yes and now they aren't. No-one is obviously suggesting reducing benefits in line with inflation so can we for once just say yes that rise was appropriate and welcome for vulnerable people.

'One relative doesn’t prove your point - that’s what “anecdotes aren’t data” means.'

Oh sorry you misunderstood. It wasn't just my vulnerable relative who received a welcome and appropriate 10% rise in PIP and ESA. All claimants did.

It's not surprising that we have the government we do when there are people who really don't understand basic mathematics, is it? Sigh.

@ShareTheDuvet I do agree that our present government has been the worst I can remember, especially for corruption and self interest. However give Labour power for long enough and they too will not be immune to the lures of corruption that power brings.

Maybe not for the first couple of years as they'll be desperate to prove they are 'different', but they will eventually.

I also agree with a PP that this time I will vote for whichever party I think will be the most authentic, honest and ethical. Their policies will be almost secondary to that, and I can't quite believe I'm saying that! I want a government I can be proud of.

I do hope your vulnerable relative is not too worried about the Tories' proposed cruel changes to ESA. It is a very worrying time for sick and disabled people.

Nope definitely didn’t misunderstand. My point was that this rise has not made most disabled people feel safe, protected or cared for by this government.

Getting a 10% rise on a pittance when food inflation is higher than that is still a loss of spending power. And with inflation still at 4%, that loss is getting bigger.

@HettieHampshire I'm left of centre but def not far left and I don't disagree. I think the big difference for me is the underlying ethos. Labour have more of a focus I feel on making sure the basics are not left to the free market and to hell with anyone who can't pay for private this and that. Tory's more of an emphasis on self preservation and self effort which I do partly agree with however at the moment unless you are lucky enough to have incredibly high paying jobs or family money you can't get yourself in a position to even cover off the basics easily- and as for saving or having kids- it's out the window for a lot of younger people- long term this really isn't good. Far too much emphasis on the short term policies that old people like ( and I'm 62) I don't disagree about corruption but with Labour I think it's more likely to be one too many grants to worthy causes rather than bunging mates and donors etc so I can live with that

Or History. Or English. Or Science ...

Is there something stopping you from reading the information on their website? There are lots of policy ideas on there to read about.

Manifestos dont get published until a general election is called lest the Conservatives steal all the policies

The only policies and beliefs I've heard about are

1. Put 20 percent tax on independent school fees by taking away their charity status.
2. They believe 1 percent of woman have a penis.
3. They support mixed sex toilets.
4. 24 million to be spend (down from 28) on creating green jobs.

I've no idea what else they believe or have policies for.

Historically Labour spend more on public services and tax more to.pay for it. However taxes are so high ATM I don't know if they would make them higher? Maybe they'll borrow more to improve public services.

@caringcarer I see you are leaning towards believing the idea that the Tories are better with the economy. Time to post this again - dates back to 2021 but that doesn't matter much given Labour haven't been in charge in between now and then.

Meanwhile if you want to know more about Labour plans and ideas, there's this thing called Google.

the idea that the Tories are better with the economy.

If anyone thinks the UK economy is in any way a decent state, then they are simply thick.

I think the many, many MN posters who pepper every thread with 'blame the Government' are in for a rude awakening if/when Labour win the next election and they discover there's no magic money tree or magic wand.
The posters I am thinking about seem to think at a stroke waiting lists will disappear, the NHS will suddenly become better run, crime will go down, schools will become educational utopias in fantastic buildings, private landlords will disperse into thin air, there will be a house for everyone who needs one, and everyone will be happy ever after until the nasty Tories win the next election.
The reality is much will be the same. The last Labour Govenment was 14 years ago, which means there are a lot of young adults who have never been adults in a Labour term and have fallen hook, line and sinker for the hype about how fantastic Labour will be and how they will cure all the country's ills.
The last Labour Government took us to war, left a legacy of crippling finance for schools and hospitals to deal with, introduced tuition fees and the ridiculous expectation that everyone was fit for university and created in the tax credits system the germ of dependancy culture we are living in now.
I know they did other things, but I am cherry picking the bad bits the same way as Labour supporters can see nothing positive about the Tories' time in office.
Every thread on here about the NHS and schools always features people who have worked in the establishments when Labour were in power and confirm it was not that brilliant then, but they are always shouted down by those who seem lacking in critical thought and think Labour will sort it.
They won't. They will produce a great manifesto promisijng the earth, get into power and then say they can't deliver as things were left in a worse state than they thought. There are rich Labour MPs the same as rich Tory MPs, but that's always brushed aside.
TLDR: Labour are not all they are cracked up to be and there's going to be a lot of disappointed people after the next election if Labour win.

I think the many, many MN posters who pepper every thread with 'blame the Government' are in for a rude awakening if/when Labour win the next election and they discover there's no magic money tree or magic wand

On the contrary. This poster is quite anticipating a shitshow. However it's impossible for it to start as bad as things have gotten with 14 years of Tory Crony rule.

I refer you to the truism that nappies and governments need to be changed and for the same reason.

@SerendipityJane I would be inclined to agree with you about it being time for a change. My point is that anyone who thinks there is going to be much of a change is somewhat deluded.

@Katypp can we stop it with the tired old trope that Labour took us into war? The only opposition to the Iraq war came from Labour and Lib Dem MPs. The Tories supported it wholeheartedly.

As for the good things the Tories did: I can't think of very many that Labour wouldn't have done had they been in power. Perhaps the Tories pushed harder on marriage equality and I'm pleased about that, but it in no way cancels out the past 5 years of lies, corruption, cronyism and the disaster that is Brexit. Beyond that the sustained assault on the poor and the disabled has been unforgivable.

And no, it isn't going to get better fast. You may want people to be deluded about this, but I doubt very many are. The amount of shit that needs to be cleared up is there for all to see and it will take years.