Please can someone say what labours manifesto is?

[Gymnoob]

Hi,

Looks like no choice but to vote labour this time. No idea what they actually stand for. I have listened to Kier and various things still none the wiser. I don’t know whether this is because they have less air time as the opposition or something else.

If anyone can sum up very briefly the 3 main policies or changes they will make.

To do the conservative comparison I would have said they wanted to;
Lower taxes (and plunge the £ into panic)
‘Fix’ the nhs
Have an odd obsession with sending everyone to Rwanda

But I can’t make a comparison for labour because no idea!

Thank you

Well the Tories have been spend, spend, spending - with our money and on themselves and their cronies, at least if Labour spent it would be on services and on improving the country.

Nice try though, you got in quick, but didn't really think through how it read did you. The first one was an automatic eye roll too.

@IClaudine I was heading into a meeting and typing too fast - I don't blame everything on the pandemic and the strikes, but it would be remiss not to factor the cumulative effects of those two events into the rather basic graph. (As an example, every day of a jnr doctor's strike, my brother said it means 180 cancelled appointments in their clinic, in their one hospital - he's a consultant surgeon in a team of 3 or 4 I think).

The NHS is a multifaceted complex organisation which is completely dysfunctional in many ways and anyone expecting Labour to come in and 'sort the NHS' is delusional. It is no longer able to do the things it was set up to do, and it is so inefficient, but NOT one single politician or party will touch any sort of fundamental reform of it, because there would be a complete outcry from everyone. Which is insane because there are plenty of other health services around the world, which do things better for less money. (My brother is not hopeful for the future of the organisation under ANY future government unless and until it is reformed from the bottom up....)

I assume a large think of the manifesto will be on how they can remove women's rights.

You have really jumped the shark.🦈 Overegged your pudding. Put too many currants in the bun.

There have certainly been many posts on here from knowledgable posters indicating that, that will indeed be the case. I have no doubt much delight will be taken from it when it occurs as well.

It really is a simple issue.

https://www.christian.org.uk/news/sunak-a-man-is-a-man-and-a-woman-is-a-woman/

Yes, but it's obvious from the last few posts how the thread is going.

Sir Keir thinks that only 99.9% of women don't have bollocks. Yay!

It would be pointless to strike if nobody noticed the difference between a strike day and a non strike day!

I think it is terribly patronising to suggest that Labour supporters think Labour will sort out the NHS overnight. It will take years if not decades, everyone knows that.

When Blair got in in 1997, the NHS was on its knees. When the Tories took over in 2010, it was in good shape. There is no excuse for what they have done. The rot started with Lansley's reforms which wasted billions.

Goodness it’s worse than I thought!

Are bollocks the new beer?

The desperation is palpable.

The NHS is really well funded at present.

https://fullfact.org/election-2019/nhs-spending-biggest-boost/

It's very similar to Tory but don't know what woman are.....I'm in a lost land re politics at the moment... suspect there's no solution

As far as I can tell they are planning to use women for wiping the floor with. Possibly we will have to lick their boots while we're down there.

Indeed.

It's bad to have female leaders?

Not sure what your point is here.

It is not always successful.

https://time.com/6286527/nicola-sturgeon-scotland-scandal-snp/

Yeah, we're back to 'Labour don't know what a woman is' blah blah blah while meanwhile women's shelters are closing apace due to councils not getting enough funding from central government.

But the Tories are so great for women... Yawn.

Aren't we just - with a massive dose of hyperbole . You'd think no other issues were at play.

The Tories. Caring about women since 2013.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/16/the-observer-view-on-domestic-abuse---thousands-of-women-in-england-and-wales-refused-refuge

www.theguardian.com/society/2023/oct/15/alarm-at-rise-in-use-of-mixed-sex-wards-in-nhs-england-hospitals

I just thought it was "we are not Tories".

The only solid one I have heard it

• add VAT to private school fees, which is apparently going to fund a massive improvement to education to the 96% of children in state schools. I read somewhere that this will mean an extra £1.50 per year for each state school child if no children move into state school through not being able to afford the increased school fees. Regardless of anyone's opinion of private schools, this is clearly an ill thought out policy.

I was definitely swinging towards labour (from lib dem) until I got to know a labour MP via my antenatal group, and I asked for her help in trying to avoid the shutting down of a specialist nursery for children with disabilities in the area I worked, as it was a Labour Council area I thought she might have some influence. Her response was 'my children don't have SEN, and we have a full time nanny so don't need nurseries', and then promptly moaned that she was struggling to afford business class flights for the nanny for their 6th holiday that year, but that the nanny didn't need it anyway as used the flying 'working class'. I asked if any of her labour colleagues would help and they were 'far too busy'. Clearly one of 'the people' ;-)

They've had years to care about women. They've demonstrably failed to do so. All the carry on about defining a woman and claiming Labour are planning to throw women under a bus is meaningless when looking at the reality for vulnerable women under this government.

Their manifesto will be announced at the same time as the other parties, which will be when dear Rishi finally admits defeat. Previous early policy announcements have seen them hijacked by desperate Tories.

Very interesting. Do potential MPs close to a general election really go around talking like this?

So far I've heard that the Labour Party will put VAT on private schools fees and tax so called ' non Dom ' residents , which will raise millions according to the shadow health secretary Wes streeting.
He is very clear about his own vision for the NHS and it sounds very sound to me. His the only one who does seem to speak any sense. I'm sure people will tell me he doesn't , but he certainly sounds much more erudite than Sir Keir starmer when he is being interviewed and has a clear understanding of what it needs and not just more cash.
I've not much faith in any of them though tbh
I think the private school idea will back fire myself. I am an old cynic though