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Please can someone say what labours manifesto is?

234 replies

Gymnoob · 20/02/2024 11:20

Hi,

Looks like no choice but to vote labour this time. No idea what they actually stand for. I have listened to Kier and various things still none the wiser. I don’t know whether this is because they have less air time as the opposition or something else.

If anyone can sum up very briefly the 3 main policies or changes they will make.

To do the conservative comparison I would have said they wanted to;
Lower taxes (and plunge the £ into panic)
‘Fix’ the nhs
Have an odd obsession with sending everyone to Rwanda

But I can’t make a comparison for labour because no idea!

Thank you

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Datgal · 20/02/2024 19:17

rosesareorange · 20/02/2024 11:21

they stand for identity politics and spend spend spend....

As opposed to the Tories?? Actually there is a difference. The Tories take everything off us, and siphon off all taxpayers billions to their families/mates.....
Have a think about that. They spent billions on the wrong sort of PPE and storage for it. And just research who all the contracts went to.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 20/02/2024 19:17

BigFluffyHoodie · 20/02/2024 19:15

So Labour seem to be not "Tory lite" , but "Tory more efficient"?

The Overton window has shifted so far to the right that the current Labour Party are in about the same position as Thatcher was in '79

BigFluffyHoodie · 20/02/2024 19:21

It's what the people want. That's the only way the Overton Window shifts.

IClaudine · 20/02/2024 19:22

For @Panicmode1 who blames the pandemic and doctor's strikes for the increase in waiting times. This is from 2019

"Performance against waiting times standards has steadily worsened in recent years. The NHS has not met the 18-week elective care waiting times standard since February 2016 or the 62-day standard from a referral with suspected cancer to treatment since 2013. The number of people still waiting for their elective treatment grew from 2.7 million in March 2013 to 4.2 million in November 2018 and the number of people waiting for more than 18 weeks increased from 153,000 to 528,000. The National Audit Office reported that poor performance against waiting times standards is now widespread with most local NHS bodies failing to meet these standards. In November 2018, only 44% of NHS trust and foundation trusts (trusts) met the 18-week standard for elective treatment and only 38% of trusts met the 62-day standard for cancer treatment."

Source: C&AG’s Report, NHS waiting times for elective and cancer treatment, Session 2017–2019, HC 1989, 22 March 2019

BigFluffyHoodie · 20/02/2024 19:24

The NHS is an utter millstone. Just ask Canada.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 20/02/2024 19:27

BigFluffyHoodie · 20/02/2024 19:21

It's what the people want. That's the only way the Overton Window shifts.

What a ridiculous comment, client journalism and populist rabble rousers are why the Overton window has shifted

BigFluffyHoodie · 20/02/2024 19:38

JustAnotherPoster00 · 20/02/2024 19:27

What a ridiculous comment, client journalism and populist rabble rousers are why the Overton window has shifted

Ha ha. "Populist rabble rousers" = "People I don't like"

And as for "client journalism", it has always been with us.

CroftonWillow · 20/02/2024 19:39

Same shit different colour. People expecting their life to suddenly improve will be disappointed. Only they can do that.

DinnaeFashYersel · 20/02/2024 19:41

They won't publish their manifesto until the election is called but basically

Fair work
Safer streets
Sort the NHS
End violence against women and girls
Rebuild communities

JustAnotherPoster00 · 20/02/2024 19:46

BigFluffyHoodie · 20/02/2024 19:38

Ha ha. "Populist rabble rousers" = "People I don't like"

And as for "client journalism", it has always been with us.

Has nothing to do with people I don't like but with the lies that these rabble rousers get to spout which go unchecked by the client journalists, Farage, Johnson, Reese Mogg, 30p Lee, Hopkins, Oakenshott are examples

JustAnotherPoster00 · 20/02/2024 19:47

CroftonWillow · 20/02/2024 19:39

Same shit different colour. People expecting their life to suddenly improve will be disappointed. Only they can do that.

You are Norman Tebbit and I claim my £5

BigFluffyHoodie · 20/02/2024 19:47

DinnaeFashYersel · 20/02/2024 19:41

They won't publish their manifesto until the election is called but basically

Fair work
Safer streets
Sort the NHS
End violence against women and girls
Rebuild communities

Erm... Number four will need some detail. As to what "women and girls" are.

Also, you don't mention their big enormous Green New Deal?

kitfree1 · 20/02/2024 19:48

CroftonWillow · 20/02/2024 19:39

Same shit different colour. People expecting their life to suddenly improve will be disappointed. Only they can do that.

Won't life feel better by simply having a government that isn't a laughing stock?

CranfordScones · 20/02/2024 19:49

Last time's manifesto was Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell presiding over an utterly abject plan for large-scale nationalisation. It was roundly rejected.

I suspect that this time will be the opposite; very light on detail. Expect lots and lots of abstract nouns and an enormous hidden agenda.

CroftonWillow · 20/02/2024 19:52

kitfree1 · 20/02/2024 19:48

Won't life feel better by simply having a government that isn't a laughing stock?

No.

BarelyLiterate · 20/02/2024 19:57

No, because Labour’s manifesto hasn’t been written yet, never mind published. Opposition parties with massive leads in the polls don’t offer up specific policies for their opponents, and their opponents’ friends in the media, to attack until they have to. That’s basic politics.

Nobody except activists & journalists actually reads manifestos anyway. And the journos only do it because it’s their job.

CroftonWillow · 20/02/2024 20:00

JustAnotherPoster00 · 20/02/2024 19:47

You are Norman Tebbit and I claim my £5

Just another poster I'm afraid.

IClaudine · 20/02/2024 20:21
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IClaudine · 20/02/2024 20:22

CroftonWillow · 20/02/2024 19:39

Same shit different colour. People expecting their life to suddenly improve will be disappointed. Only they can do that.

If it is a different colour, then it is not the same shit.

SaunteringOnBy · 20/02/2024 20:26

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Naptrappedmummy · 20/02/2024 20:28

My reservations about Labour are that I think they’re deeply sexist.
They’ve NEVER had a female leader; and the women they choose for their most prominent positions tend to be pitbulls on a lead to protect the ineffectual male leader.
Even the Tories have managed 2 female PMs.
And let’s not forget TWAW.
Some of the worst misogynists I’ve ever come across are very vocal left wing men.

I’ll vote for them out of a lack of anything better, but I don’t think they’re great for women.

Updownleftandright · 20/02/2024 20:32

rosesareorange · 20/02/2024 11:21

they stand for identity politics and spend spend spend....

Bollocks

BigFluffyHoodie · 20/02/2024 20:34

Naptrappedmummy · 20/02/2024 20:28

My reservations about Labour are that I think they’re deeply sexist.
They’ve NEVER had a female leader; and the women they choose for their most prominent positions tend to be pitbulls on a lead to protect the ineffectual male leader.
Even the Tories have managed 2 female PMs.
And let’s not forget TWAW.
Some of the worst misogynists I’ve ever come across are very vocal left wing men.

I’ll vote for them out of a lack of anything better, but I don’t think they’re great for women.

That would be three Tory female leaders/PMs.

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