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To tell MIL to stop with the comments

542 replies

mariaem · 16/02/2024 21:48

More of an "how to do this" not AIBU

I'd rather not have my husband with me during the birth. I prefer he drops me off at the hospital or heads home when the intense contractions start, and then returns once the baby and I are cleaned up. This is just how I feel, and I'm not really up for debating it, so please let's not turn this post into a discussion of pros and cons of partners being at the birth. The question is about MIL's comments and how to address them.

So, I'm about 28 weeks pregnant, and every time I see my MIL, she just won't let up with the comments like, 'Are you still planning not to have him present?' or 'Do you think he'll regret not being there?' or 'Perhaps you'll change your mind when you feel more maternal towards the end of pregnancy' I've been trying to brush it off for the past 20 weeks with responses like, 'I don't see myself changing my mind' or 'Yeah, it's what we've decided,' but she's persistent.

My husband thinks she's just shocked and wants to express her feelings, but he's never been one to stand up to her. He's more of a 'mom's always right' kinda guy. We've talked about it, and he's cool with whatever makes me comfortable on the day, ultimately I'm the one doing the work.

How can I gently but firmly address her comments? I've tried telling her that the topic makes me uncomfortable and that we've made our decision, but she seems to ignore it.

OP posts:
StaringAtTheWater · 17/02/2024 09:13

Gosh OP, I know you didn't want a discussion about it, but wouldn't it be better to have someone with you? If not your DH, a friend or doula? I don't want to scare you, but giving birth in an NHS hospital can be a scary and stressful experience. It can be difficult to advocate for yourself when you're tired and in lots of pain. I certainly would not want to go in alone.

Nottodaty · 17/02/2024 09:14

My friend made a similar choice - her husband stayed with her until the later stages and then left. He then went back shortly after baby born. This was something our friend wanted and had a doula with her for support.

Her husband would have liked to have stayed but respected & understood his wife choices.

Advertisements · 17/02/2024 09:15

Nottodaty · 17/02/2024 09:14

My friend made a similar choice - her husband stayed with her until the later stages and then left. He then went back shortly after baby born. This was something our friend wanted and had a doula with her for support.

Her husband would have liked to have stayed but respected & understood his wife choices.

I think what a few of us are trying to say is that the OP hasn’t mentioned a doula or anyone else. And doing it all alone isn’t advised. I understand she’s mentioned cultural but if she’s giving birth in the U.K. things may be different. She should have someone with her, just in case.

Naunet · 17/02/2024 09:16

Dear god the comments on here, so much fretting about a man’s ‘right’, especially from women with sons. Shame on you, when your precious little soldiers push a human life out of their dick, I’m sure you can invite the whole village to watch, but in this case, it’s none of your business, and no man is entitled to be at a birth. Amazing how consent doesn’t matter when it’s THEIR son.

Calderadust · 17/02/2024 09:16

OP specifically said the debate over her DH not being present for the birth was not up for discussion and people just can't help themselves.

youmustrememberthis · 17/02/2024 09:17

fuckssaaaaake · 17/02/2024 09:05

I can't believe how many people are completely ignoring the fact the op has said this is a cultural thing. Unbelievably ignorant and short sighted

But equally in my view it shouldn't matter why the OP has said she doesn't want her husband there, her views should be respected.

I hate this attitude that the man's supposed need to see the birth of his child should in any way trump the actual mother's view, whatever her reasons for her choice are.

I can't see that this is progress, it's more like a regression, it's borderline as bad then when men positively weren't allowed in with the mother even if she wanted.

Why does society struggle so much with allowing women to do what they want with their own body?

fuckssaaaaake · 17/02/2024 09:18

@youmustrememberthis yes you're right there

Flamme · 17/02/2024 09:18

DevotedSisterBelovedCunt · 16/02/2024 22:51

Wow! I'm not often shocked by things on here anymore but this is absolutely extraordinary.

A woman is vulnerable, possibly naked, in enormous pain, and pushing a baby out of her vagina / having major abdominal surgery, and you @NoOrdinaryMorning think she should be forced AGAINST HER WILL to have this witnessed in close proximity by a man she is NOT IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH ?!

I think this might be the most misogynistic thing I've ever read on this site, and that's saying something.

Where do you get the idea that OP isn't in a relationship with her child's father?

Naunet · 17/02/2024 09:20

youmustrememberthis · 17/02/2024 09:17

But equally in my view it shouldn't matter why the OP has said she doesn't want her husband there, her views should be respected.

I hate this attitude that the man's supposed need to see the birth of his child should in any way trump the actual mother's view, whatever her reasons for her choice are.

I can't see that this is progress, it's more like a regression, it's borderline as bad then when men positively weren't allowed in with the mother even if she wanted.

Why does society struggle so much with allowing women to do what they want with their own body?

Why does society struggle so much with allowing women to do what they want with their own body?

Misogyny, men matter more.

confusedaboutclothes · 17/02/2024 09:22

chiwwy · 17/02/2024 00:04

Because the law says he isn’t allowed there without her permission.

He can’t even visit her OR the baby in hospital without her consent.

Impregnating her doesn’t mean he owns her or the right to view or access her body 🙄

How does that mean he wants access to her body? I’m sure he’d like access to his own baby at the birth of it!! This is such a ridiculous thread, you don’t want your husband to see your baby come out a vagina? How fucking ridiculous 🤯🤯
OP knew it was ridiculous or she never would have said she didn’t want to discuss it!

crumblingschools · 17/02/2024 09:27

But in many instances where men don’t attend the birth it isn’t actually the women’s choice, it is for cultural reasons which are based on misogynistic viewpoints. Let’s not think the cultural reason is always good for women

Naunet · 17/02/2024 09:28

Copperoliverbear · 17/02/2024 04:25

Also if the boot was on the other foot and men could have children and was stopping the wife from attending, there would be uproar

I know we have to have some dick pandering ‘if this was the other way around’ post on EVERY thread, but this one has got to be the most ridiculous! 😂

Naunet · 17/02/2024 09:29

confusedaboutclothes · 17/02/2024 09:22

How does that mean he wants access to her body? I’m sure he’d like access to his own baby at the birth of it!! This is such a ridiculous thread, you don’t want your husband to see your baby come out a vagina? How fucking ridiculous 🤯🤯
OP knew it was ridiculous or she never would have said she didn’t want to discuss it!

Do you know what consent is? Do you know what the law is? Shockingly, it doesn’t always put what a man wants first. Terrible isn’t it?

youmustrememberthis · 17/02/2024 09:30

@Naunet agreed, it's misogyny however (and I know we can't take it for granted that it's women on here) i think this thread proves it seems throughout history women perpetuate misogynistic behaviour just as much as men.

I can't get over how worked up some posters are about the Op making a different choice than they would / did

youmustrememberthis · 17/02/2024 09:31

@confusedaboutclothes literally think you need to calm down how are you so worked up about a woman's choice?

It's not long ago men never attended a birth and none of them died from it, so think Op's partner will cope some how.

Katypp · 17/02/2024 09:31

It's a shame that some of the more recent posters are allowing their general hatred of men to cloud their opinion.
There is absolutely nothing unreasonable about a man wanting to see his child being born. It the woman doesn't want him there, that's a discussion they need to have.
I struggle to understand how anyone can be in a relationship with someone they have so little regard for that they say things like Shame on you, when your precious little soldiers push a human life out of their dick,
That is so disrespectful and if a man said anything as offensive about his partner, there would quite rightly be outrage.

VimtoEverywhere · 17/02/2024 09:35

Good for you OP. I regret having my dp at my first birth, it was a car crash. He was no help at all and it left him traumatised. I actually feel guilty having him there.

Naunet · 17/02/2024 09:35

Katypp · 17/02/2024 09:31

It's a shame that some of the more recent posters are allowing their general hatred of men to cloud their opinion.
There is absolutely nothing unreasonable about a man wanting to see his child being born. It the woman doesn't want him there, that's a discussion they need to have.
I struggle to understand how anyone can be in a relationship with someone they have so little regard for that they say things like Shame on you, when your precious little soldiers push a human life out of their dick,
That is so disrespectful and if a man said anything as offensive about his partner, there would quite rightly be outrage.

Edited

😂 Why is that man hating?

Swipernoswipingg · 17/02/2024 09:37

I’m team MIL. Think she’s completely reasonable in the question she asks.

LoisWilkersonslastnerve · 17/02/2024 09:37

It's obviously not his right to be in there but I would strongly suggest making sure he is in the vicinity. Sadly, giving birth in an nhs hospital is not the experience it once was and I would want my partner there keeping an eye. The mil is obviously really annoying but I'm shocked people are suggesting the op cuts her off. Bit harsh!

DevotedSisterBelovedCunt · 17/02/2024 09:38

Flamme · 17/02/2024 09:18

Where do you get the idea that OP isn't in a relationship with her child's father?

@Flamme I don't have that idea at all. I was replying to a different point.

confusedaboutclothes · 17/02/2024 09:39

Naunet · 17/02/2024 09:29

Do you know what consent is? Do you know what the law is? Shockingly, it doesn’t always put what a man wants first. Terrible isn’t it?

Why do people always go so over the top with these threads 😂 imagine quoting the law because god forbid OP decided to let a man in her vagina and now doesn’t want him there to see what happens at the end of this pregnancy. Nobody said he’s going to be there without ‘consent’ i just think it’s absolutely and completely ridiculous. She didn’t care about him seeing her body when they made the child did she 🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Katypp · 17/02/2024 09:39

I would have thought that was obvious. If a man spoke about a woman in the same tone you would be OK with that, I assume?
Anyway you clearly think it's OK to speak about others in such a disrespectful way, so I am not sure there's any point in discussing it with you.

Naunet · 17/02/2024 09:40

confusedaboutclothes · 17/02/2024 09:39

Why do people always go so over the top with these threads 😂 imagine quoting the law because god forbid OP decided to let a man in her vagina and now doesn’t want him there to see what happens at the end of this pregnancy. Nobody said he’s going to be there without ‘consent’ i just think it’s absolutely and completely ridiculous. She didn’t care about him seeing her body when they made the child did she 🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Err, when people are talking about it being HIS right, I’m pointing out that obviously, it’s not.

GabriellaMontez · 17/02/2024 09:42

confusedaboutclothes · 17/02/2024 09:22

How does that mean he wants access to her body? I’m sure he’d like access to his own baby at the birth of it!! This is such a ridiculous thread, you don’t want your husband to see your baby come out a vagina? How fucking ridiculous 🤯🤯
OP knew it was ridiculous or she never would have said she didn’t want to discuss it!

Look. A generation ago, in this country, no men were present.

It's a recent fashion.

Having men present isnt 'better', It's just a personal choice.

Clearly its not your personal choice but that doesn't make it 'fucking ridiculous'.