What does your network think about trans people?

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Immediate family think it's all a bit silly, trans people should be treated well but you cannot change sex. Women's spaces should be protected etc.

But interestingly all of my university friends think trans women are women (did go to a London uni with well to do sorts).

I'm 31 btw.

ah I see this thread is already populated by posters who literally just can’t tell who is a man and who is a woman!! I mean it’s alll soooooo haaarrd isn’t it? God only knows how we’ve managed to reproduce for all these centuries. Oh wait no in fact it isn’t!

It’s interesting that other mental health issues - eating disorders, self harm, body dysmorphia etc are treated (or often ignored due to the crapness of CAMHS and lack of support) and never affirmed.

I do have fears that many schools are complicit in validating vulnerable children in a way that just wouldn’t happen with other mental conditions, and it seems bonkers as teachers are meant to be experts in this area.

If you are worrying about how you are going to pay your rent/mortgage/fuel bills you are not going to give a fuck about whether the person having a piss in the next cubicle has a dick or not.

ah I see this thread is already populated by posters who literally just can’t tell who is a man and who is a woman!!

In fairness, I'm heartened by how much sanity is on display here

Well that's not true.

Everyone I’ve ever spoken with about it face to face has said how ridiculous it all is and consider the vast majority of it to be attention seeking nonsense.

They should monitor all these who claim they are trans and see what they are saying in 10 years time. That will soon prove one way or another if the vast majority of it is simply nonsense or not.

I don’t know a single person who claims to be trans but then I don’t really know many teenage kids so am not living with the target demographic as much as many others do.

I’m in my 40s and my various circles of friends (men and women) believe that everyone should be treated fairly and can wear whatever they want and call themselves any name. But obviously you can’t change sex - you can’t delete your Y chromosome. Men can pretend to be women and that is fine but they’re not actual women. Just like the wafer at church isn’t the actual body of Christ - it’s a representation of it.

That doesn't mean it's not policed? If a man walks in to ladies changing facilities he would be challenged and excluded.

If a woman who presents and passes as a man she walks into ladies changing facilities it would be challenged.

The second could potentially be allowed through though as they are female sex, though that would mean they'd need to think 'living as a man' included using womens changing facilities. Wouldn't it.

The law is clear today. And it can be policed effectively.

It is true. You just carry on boycotting and stickering and voting for Posie Parker or the Tories in your privileged world and I'll tell you in my world no one gives a shit about Trans.

Interesting question. I'm in my 50s and grew up somewhere very rural and remote. All my friends/relatives back there don't even seem to really be aware. In truth it's only in more recent years that being gay has become more accepted there. When it comes to being trans or non binary, that's barely reached their radar! Honestly when I asked my sister what she thought of the whole non binary thing she said "what's that?". I had to explain it to her. And she has DC in their 20s so presumably they haven't talked about it either.

Most of it just causes eye rolls to me and people I know. Most of us are supportive to people who are genuinely trans. We are not supportive to men using it to gain some kind of advantage over women. Or worse still, using it to prey on women. Such as rapists declaring they're trans to be placed in a women's prison.

Everyone I know, bar two people, think that men who say they are women can keep the fuck away from female-only spaces, services and sports.

The two other people, one thinks 'there's plenty of space for everyone if we all just be kind' (but thinks that TW shouldn't be anywhere near women's sport - inconsistent, yes) and the other, a biomedical scientist, says "oh it's the intersex people I feel sorry for"; I honestly despair at the lack of rigorous thought.

All mid 30s to mid 40s, University educated.

The trouble with this is that it is all a bit "chicken and egg" these children often have a number of other comorbidities that make them more vulnerable to being influenced by the on-line trans community (I am choosing words very carefully here).

Those children need proper support, not just told they are "born in the wrong body".

I know a lot of sports women so while they are fine with those born as men living as women, they draw the line at competing in sports against biological women and want female safe spaces eg changing rooms

It is true. You just carry on boycotting and stickering and voting for Posie Parker or the Tories in your privileged world and I'll tell you in my world no one gives a shit about Trans.

I have a friend who does. She was a victim of a violent rape. Men peeing beside her in the ladies is a big deal for her unfortunately. She'd see you as the privileged one in this situation.

I've got capacity to worry about both the cost of living AND the risk of Women and Girls being assaulted by predatory Men taking advantage of self-id allowing them access to Women's spaces.

I'm raising my DD to judge people on how they treat her rather than how they look/gender/preference. We have no issues with anyone as long as they are a good person.

Mine too.

Not the case. People are able to be worried about finances and also worry about men encroaching on women and girls' boundaries.

I guess the problem with this is that people with body dysmorphia or anorexia also genuinely believe they have to change their body to be happy. I am not sure surgery and society pretending they are as they see themselves is healthy for them or for other people. Jehovahs witnesses genuinely believe that god will punish them if they have blood transfusions. Not sure that belief helps anyone - especially children - when they need one. Genuine belief can make people do some really harmful things to themselves.

I agree with your family and most of the commenters on here be whatever you want to be dress however you like but trans women are not women and should not be in women’s sports, changing rooms, toilets, hospitals, prisons etc we need our safe spaces free from potential predators who are using being a trans woman as a way of abusing women. I also can’t help but wonder if the sudden uprise in trans people is because of social media where vulnerable kids are seeing it all and thinking that changing gender is somehow going to solve all their problems and then by the time they realise that it isn’t going to help it’s too late to go back.

I’ve genuinely not thought about it that deeply

Yet they will vote Tory because Rishi pretends to know what a woman is and disregard all the other stuff? Doesn't make any sort of sense to me.

Hopefully we can agree that referring to “non-popular kids who are indulging and being indulged” is extremely unhelpful though?

The conflation of sex and gender isn’t helpful.

This will be an interesting case - clarifying the definition of sex in the Equality Act.

For Women Scotland have have been granted permission to appeal their judicial review decision to the UK Supreme Court 👀

https://twitter.com/forwomenscot/status/1758462083832639848?s=61&t=Mf2j5cmVhpEinnTadbvkGw

This is where I'm at too @BoobyDazzler