To wonder why some women Aren’t upset about men being in their safe spaces?

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Why would we make it easier for men to be in our safe spaces? Don’t twist my words. This is not about being anti trans women - this is about men not being in women’s safe spaces. Why should women have to allow men in so as to ‘save their feelings’? What about women’s safety, feelings and wishes?

Given stories such as these - examples only but they quite clearly demonstrate the issue. As if anyone needs this. The stats are easily available.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/shana-grice-murder-stalking-police-sussex-a8862611.html?fbclid=IwAR0bJYAs849f0I9VFv7tHw3aguB5C8HZi3yyOMr4LxxIRURs0HBxrc_TxzE

And now the disappointing John Lewis (aka Stonewall) disaster.

https://www.jamesesses.com/p/the-trans-takeover-of-john-lewis

Who puts women first, apart from JKR and friends. It’s a limited list.

You are right women do need safe spaces. They have never existed. We have never been safe.

Men have never been allowed in many of the places they attack and yet they have still managed it. Banning trans women from female loos will never stop a man walking in and attacking someone.

I completely agree people should be able to live their lives without the threat of men’s violence.

You really, really don’t. What sort of threat do you imagine a woman presents to a trans woman?

Do you actually understand the nature of the threat men pose to women? At all?

Trans women are men. They have the same male pattern violence as any other men.

Pretending that trans women are not men harms women.

I'm sick to the teeth of it.

It's like a form of Stockholm syndrome to see that women are harmed by the fact that single sex spaces are now mixed sex and that women and girls have been harmed by trans women in those spaces and to continue to deny reality.

How many children have to be harmed by trans women like Katy Dalotowski in what should be the women's toilets for people to wake up to the fact that this harm women and girls?

Katy Dolotowski ended up in a women's prison.

On release he was housed in a woman's refuge.

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/politics/sex-offender-stayed-in-leeds-womens-refuge-for-71-days-as-campaigners-protest-leeds-council-over-scandal-3920683

Well, of course women have never been safe. But does that mean we can’t try? FFS.

Children get abused despite our best efforts. Does that mean we get rid of DBS checks?? Are you listening to the drivel you’re spouting?

Well maybe if men stopped raping and killing us we could get on and do that.

@Thementalloadisreal

Are you denying the existence of trans women who do use being trans to get access to women? Ones like Katy Dalotowski?

The fact that men are a danger to women is not reason to give more males access.

I pity the children he sexually assaulted when dressed as a woman that no one is any longer allowed to bat an eyelid to because we're supposed to feel more sorry for the trans woman than his potential victims.

Honestly, we're fucking doomed if people like you actually believe what they're saying.

Sorry, that was to @Thementalloadisreal

A potato would realise that a man doesn’t need to pretend to be trans to get into female spaces. They can just go in.

Why would a man bother to pretend to be one of the most discriminated and marginalised part of society when he can just walk around as one of the most privileged, go where he pleases, there’s no security stopping him.

Women (trans included) aren’t safe until men’s violence towards them is addressed. That’s “addressed”
not “in a dress” by the way.

I’m hoping it’s as a PP said - people can’t admit they’re wrong. Hopefully some will go away and reflect…

Honestly reading this I fear for trans women in public because of people’s attitudes online reflect their attitudes in real life there are a lot of very angry, ignorant women out there trying to “protect” their spaces from some one trying to use a toilet.

It won’t be long until these women are calling out people in public, I’m sure.

I'm out.

This feels like an unfair argument.

You're so ill informed it's frightening.

There’s always one or two absolutely shocking awful examples of trans people committing crimes on these threads. How many people are going to copy and paste links to every single women murdered by a man in a public or “safe” space?
Yes trans women can be abusers, criminals, just as men and women and non binary and everyone else can. No it doesn’t make it ok. But it also doesn’t make it ok to go around saying horrible harmful shit like all trans women are men. God mumsnet is a terf orgy.

It’s called patriarchy and it’s the reason women are still fighting other women

Why would a man bother to pretend to be one of the most discriminated and marginalised part of society...

You have swallowed all the bullshit, hook, line and sinker.

I believe that trans people are people and that men’s violence towards women and trans women is a huge problem that’s being scapegoated to a small vulnerable
minority

I also believe that people who believe we are “doomed” are really scared and I can understand that. But hate isn’t the answer. Women fighting other women is what they want.

But it also doesn’t make it ok to go around saying horrible harmful shit like all trans women are men

This is a fact, like it or not. No human being can change their sex.

Tell me you’ve never met a trans women without telling me

Eroding boundaries for male performance of femininity is the stupidest thing I've ever seen

Beautifully put jeaux90

I know one transwoman and several transmen.

The transwoman I know is hugely respectful of women and would not dream of using women's spaces. They are massively pissed off with aggressive TRAs pushing women's boundaries so hard and so far that people now view them with suspicion wherever they go.

It's ok you're a men's right's activist.

You care more about males having the right to perform their gender identity on women and girls that the children sexually assaulted in toilets, the orthodox religious women being forced to self exclude, than the girls refusing school when on their periods or not drinking because they don't want mix sexed toilets.

You presumably think it's better that poor trans women displace females in sport. That cross dressing men win business woman of the year. That prisons are mixed sex and that a woman is having to bring a court case because she was unable to get single sex rape crisis support.

I don't buy the line that 'because men harm women anyway' we should be open the floodgates and let more men in. It's nonsense.

it's contrary to all principles of safeguarding.

If trans women feel the need to be protected from other men then, to put it mildly, that's not my problem or the problem of women to fix. They can sort that out themselves or advocate for third spaces. They can be kept safe without putting women at risk or making women and girls uncomfortable.

You obviously think you have some form of moral superiority because you are 'being kind' to vulnerable males. Increasingly women are seeing that you are wrong and that women deserve better.

You obviously think you have some form of moral superiority because you are 'being kind' to vulnerable males. Increasingly women are seeing that you are wrong and that women deserve better

Yes and it is heartening to see. They will all backtrack soon enough but I shall never forget the betrayal of these women who have thrown all safeguarding for women and girls out of the window in the pursuit of appeasing men.

Yes all the threats are at women

Did the pp miss the woman punched in the face in NZ?

Plus the usual threats, violence and abuse women who do not consent get

The idea that males are at risk from women is madness