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To think this is a vote winner (though not election clincher) from Sunak?

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Lion400 · 12/02/2024 22:36

Thought this was an impressive and clear response to the question, from Rishi. I suppose Labour will likely win by a landslide, because many people don’t care enough about women’s rights. Because I do care very much about women’s rights, I may vote Conservative for the first time ever (cue outrage for Lion). Will I regret it? Possibly. But I’d regret voting for Labour (aka women’s rights removers), even more.

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AdamRyan · 13/02/2024 20:52

EasternStandard · 13/02/2024 20:41

Well sure Labour - no one’s talking about it is the standard line

For a reason. A couple of questions in and their position falls apart

The best they’ve got is hoping women won’t care or talk about it at all

I talk about it all the time. And then get called a Labour activist/TRA etc etc
Can't win 😕

EasternStandard · 13/02/2024 21:02

AdamRyan · 13/02/2024 20:52

I talk about it all the time. And then get called a Labour activist/TRA etc etc
Can't win 😕

You are pro Labour’s position and statement is that right?

Can you answer the questions below

to avoid the inevitable ‘which questions’ I’ll paste

What spaces? How legally would they keep men with a GRC out?

OneTC · 13/02/2024 21:13

lifeturnsonadime · 13/02/2024 19:47

To make the necessary amendments to the Equality Act.

As @AdamRyan pointed out upthread it's not easy or quick to amend primary legislation. But they have said they will amend it.

Whereas Labour has said they will not.

They're going to leave it until after the election that's for sure!

And given their track record on delivery I think I'll remain sceptical.

Their sudden intense interest in biological vote bringers seems suspiciously timed to me

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 13/02/2024 21:23

Their sudden intense interest in biological vote bringers seems suspiciously timed to me

Yep, they're playing to their audience, trying to stoke up culture wars, get everyone side eyeing everyone else and blaming each other.
Seems it's all they've got left.
If it's not "Turn back the boats!" "Flights to Rwanda!"
It's "least we know what a woman is!" 🙄
Biscuit

LlynTegid · 13/02/2024 21:26

Apparently there are 10,000 alleged sex offenders including rapists awaiting trial. Hardly justice for women who are most of the alleged victims, nor indeed for the accused.

One of many things I could list where the Tories are not on the side of women.

TooBigForMyBoots · 13/02/2024 21:27

AdamRyan · 13/02/2024 20:52

I talk about it all the time. And then get called a Labour activist/TRA etc etc
Can't win 😕

Me too.Grin Even though I'm a feminist who's never voted Labour in my life. I've no idea where these Tory supporters get their ideas from. I think there's a lot of projection going on.

EasternStandard · 13/02/2024 21:30

Some very pro Labour on here I think if even they can’t answer those basic questions then no one can including Starmer or Dodds

The best from them is ignore it no one cares

jasflowers · 13/02/2024 21:31

lifeturnsonadime · 13/02/2024 19:01

I didn't say the Tories aren't to blame.

I am asking what the Labour Party will do about the impact of their badly drafted laws?

As far as I can tell, they will do less about it than the Tories will, the Tories have indicated they will amend the Equality Act, the Labour party has said they won't.

That's not my fault it's the Labour Party's fault.

Edited

Sorry but thats exactly what you said and repeatedly.

Labour aren't in power and rather presumptuous to suppose they will be.

Deal with the here and now, the Govt, the Tory govt, look at their words, measure these against deeds.

Tories indicate they will change the EA whoopie wow!!! who gives a fuck what one minister has said, no one else has, there is no white paper, no time table.... all hot air.

I lost all faith in the Tories when they shut down funding for DV refuges and introduced the "bedroom" tax which forced women with a panic room to have to pay for them.

Fantastic party for women.

lifeturnsonadime · 13/02/2024 21:34

AhNowTed · 13/02/2024 20:36

@lifeturnsonadime

I said "nuance" for a reason.

Where obviously-feminine trans folk go to the loo may not be for women to figure out, correct.

But it is for society to figure out.

Because they don't belong in men's loos either.

Why? trans women are men they are not women.

AdamRyan · 13/02/2024 21:37

EasternStandard · 13/02/2024 21:02

You are pro Labour’s position and statement is that right?

Can you answer the questions below

to avoid the inevitable ‘which questions’ I’ll paste

What spaces? How legally would they keep men with a GRC out?

It's a moot point because no parties have a plan (other than the EA) to keep males with a GRC out. Therefore its not a voting issue for me.

I find the endless focus on Labour's position when there is no alternative odd, to say the least. If the Tories had some other plan I could understand more.

donteatthedaisies0 · 13/02/2024 21:38

DeadButDelicious · 13/02/2024 08:26

The Tory party have had 14 YEARS to do what you want them to do and they haven't done it. What they have done is push through policy that disproportionately affects women and makes life worse for them. They may very well be able to shout that they KNOW WHAT A WOMAN IS!!! during PMQ's but if you think that means they give a shiny shit about them then I don't really know what to tell you. It's fairly obvious to anyone with eyes, ears and a functioning brain that the wind in the Tory party is blowing in a very distinct direction and if it continues that way, which I suspect it will, then they will use 'knowing what a woman is' to make life very difficult for them.

But sure, vote for a party that has decimated the country and ran its services into the ground, a party who would reinstate a leader who (allegedly) after his wedding described himself as having 'buyers remorse' in a heartbeat if they thought they could swing it, who have introduced policy after policy that negatively affects the day to day lives of women, who got rid of sure start centres, introduced the two child cap, have overseen an increase in infant and maternal mortality rates, the woeful state of rape convictions, maternity care, the list goes on and on and on! To vote for that party, based on one issue that they aren't going to do anything about is like turkeys voting for Christmas. They've had a decade and a half and they've done diddly squat. They don't care.

This is it everything about them I'm GC too but really what have they done but paid lip service to the subject . You did forget The Rape Clause which is the most despicable thing they have ever done , those poor women .

EasternStandard · 13/02/2024 21:39

So no answers all round

The statement doesn’t stack up

lifeturnsonadime · 13/02/2024 21:45

jasflowers · 13/02/2024 21:31

Sorry but thats exactly what you said and repeatedly.

Labour aren't in power and rather presumptuous to suppose they will be.

Deal with the here and now, the Govt, the Tory govt, look at their words, measure these against deeds.

Tories indicate they will change the EA whoopie wow!!! who gives a fuck what one minister has said, no one else has, there is no white paper, no time table.... all hot air.

I lost all faith in the Tories when they shut down funding for DV refuges and introduced the "bedroom" tax which forced women with a panic room to have to pay for them.

Fantastic party for women.

No that's not good enough.

I wasn't brought up to let issues slide because we shouldn't ask questions of the opposition party.

This is a democracy. Where issues affect 51 % of the population questions should be asked of all political parties.

if the Opposition Party is failing to oppose on a position that harms women I will point this out.

Women lose from ignoring it.

lifeturnsonadime · 13/02/2024 21:46

EasternStandard · 13/02/2024 21:30

Some very pro Labour on here I think if even they can’t answer those basic questions then no one can including Starmer or Dodds

The best from them is ignore it no one cares

Edited

It's echoing Starmers position. He keeps saying no one is talking about it.

Only we are.

lifeturnsonadime · 13/02/2024 21:49

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 13/02/2024 21:23

Their sudden intense interest in biological vote bringers seems suspiciously timed to me

Yep, they're playing to their audience, trying to stoke up culture wars, get everyone side eyeing everyone else and blaming each other.
Seems it's all they've got left.
If it's not "Turn back the boats!" "Flights to Rwanda!"
It's "least we know what a woman is!" 🙄
Biscuit

Or women just want labour to do better by 51% of the population and the Opposition to , well you know, do their job and oppose the position we have found ourselves in under the Tory leadership.

It's OK falafels we know you don't think that women should have single sex spaces you've already said so. You think a man who says he is a woman is one too. As I said upthread, at least you have the advantage of consistency of position.

BIossomtoes · 13/02/2024 21:55

I’m getting so sick of these constant references to women want this, women are saying that, this harms women, women care about that. Women aren’t an homogeneous mass that shares a single mind. Some of us don’t share these views because our concerns about the condition of women is much wider than a single issue. It would be really nice if some posters would stop pretending they speak for all of us.

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 13/02/2024 21:57

*I’m getting so sick of these constant references to women want this, women are saying that, this harms women, women care about that. Women aren’t an homogeneous mass that shares a single mind. Some of us don’t share these views because our concerns about the condition of women is much wider than a single issue. It would be really nice if some posters would stop pretending they speak for all of us"
👏👏♥️

NoMoreFalafelsForYou · 13/02/2024 21:59

Try again

I’m getting so sick of these constant references to women want this, women are saying that, this harms women, women care about that. Women aren’t an homogeneous mass that shares a single mind. Some of us don’t share these views because our concerns about the condition of women is much wider than a single issue. It would be really nice if some posters would stop pretending they speak for all of us

👏👏♥️

lifeturnsonadime · 13/02/2024 21:59

BIossomtoes · 13/02/2024 21:55

I’m getting so sick of these constant references to women want this, women are saying that, this harms women, women care about that. Women aren’t an homogeneous mass that shares a single mind. Some of us don’t share these views because our concerns about the condition of women is much wider than a single issue. It would be really nice if some posters would stop pretending they speak for all of us.

So you also believe the wishes of males to be in women's single sex spaces is more important than the safety and dignity of women who need single sex spaces?

That's great. At least you own it.

IClaudine · 13/02/2024 22:03

lifeturnsonadime · 13/02/2024 21:59

So you also believe the wishes of males to be in women's single sex spaces is more important than the safety and dignity of women who need single sex spaces?

That's great. At least you own it.

Edited

Stop it. That is not what Blossom said. You need to stop putting words into other women's mouths.

BIossomtoes · 13/02/2024 22:03

lifeturnsonadime · 13/02/2024 21:59

So you also believe the wishes of males to be in women's single sex spaces is more important than the safety and dignity of women who need single sex spaces?

That's great. At least you own it.

Edited

Show me where I said that. Go on.

BIossomtoes · 13/02/2024 22:05

IClaudine · 13/02/2024 22:03

Stop it. That is not what Blossom said. You need to stop putting words into other women's mouths.

Indeed. Not content with pretending to speak for all women but making stuff up on behalf of those not in the echo chamber.

lifeturnsonadime · 13/02/2024 22:06

What did you mean then blossoms?

So you said :
I’m getting so sick of these constant references to women want this, women are saying that, this harms women, women care about that. Women aren’t an homogeneous mass that shares a single mind

I took that to mean that you didn't agree that women should be protected from males in single sex spaces (the position that you were objecting to us referring to? )

lifeturnsonadime · 13/02/2024 22:07

echo chamber

Women who want women to have the rights to single sex spaces free from all males.

And who want Labour to be clear on their position on this as the Opposition party.

BIossomtoes · 13/02/2024 22:09

I meant I’m tired of you pretending you speak for all women. It was perfectly clear.

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