To think this is a vote winner (though not election clincher) from Sunak?

[Lion400]

Thought this was an impressive and clear response to the question, from Rishi. I suppose Labour will likely win by a landslide, because many people don’t care enough about women’s rights. Because I do care very much about women’s rights, I may vote Conservative for the first time ever (cue outrage for Lion). Will I regret it? Possibly. But I’d regret voting for Labour (aka women’s rights removers), even more.

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1757143443111841900

@lifeturnsonadime

"At their own wedding?

But even if that's not what you meant why is that the problem of women to solve?

We keep spaces free from all males to keep women safe. If we let these lovely trans women in then we have to let all trans women in including Katie Dalotowski who sexually assaulted 2 girls in the toilets of Morrisons because we can't tell which trans women are lovely and which ones are not."

Of course not at their own wedding.

To your actual point - how would you carry that out in practice - a knicker inspection?

And if there's no sign of a penis, what then?

And how about masculine looking females, are they to run the gauntlet of the female loo enforcement and "prove" their female sex?

I too want ALL politicians to do right by women. It is not an unreasonable request.

But we've been requesting it of the Tory government for 14 years and all they've done is grind us further down. I hope whoever comes next will listen, be it a Labour or coalition government. I and most other British women know the Tories won't do right by women.

I feel sorry for those who waste time embarrassing themselves and exposing their gullibility to benefit a Tory Party that holds them in contempt.

@AhNowTed no one needs a genital inspection. It's mostly TRAs that suggest this is necessary to trivialise and try to make out that women want that.

Decent males, including many trans women, stay out because they can see it is harmful to women.

The social contract was always that males would stay out. Males have been empowered by recent events to be in women's spaces by the fact that women have been silenced on it. Women can't speak up for fear of being called bigots. We could go back to that status quo.

And most tw don't actually pass as women, the way they walk, their voices and the size of their hands and feet are a dead give away no matter the feminisation surgery they have had. They kid themselves if they really think they pass.

They haven't made statements they won't amend the laws.
They backed the Conservative review and said clarity is a good thing.
They said they won't support Conservative amendments that undermine the Equality act. That could mean they are concerned about the Tories wreaking havoc on protected characteristics writ large.

I 'm sure that's what Badenochs end game is, so I support the statements about clarity AND undermining.

So you mean you won't put Labour to task on this?

Interesting.

Because I will. I've one voice and I will use it.

Labour could do so much better by women. I will shout about it from the rooftops. They keep saying women don't care about these issues. You are making it that way by your silence.

Anyone voting based on this issue alone needs their head examined.

TooBigForMyBoots
So they were clear in 2017 when PM Theresa May first put Self ID on the table

This is an extract from Labour's 2017 manifesto - page 111;

A Labour government will reform the Gender Recognition Act and the Equality Act 2010 to ensure they protect Trans people by changing the protected characteristic of ‘gender assignment’ to ‘gender identity’

Kemi mulling it is not the same as the Conservatives committing to it

@AhNowTed
The genital inspection thing is one of the weaker "gotchas" regularly brought up by opponents of single sex spaces.
The simple answer is that most rules and regulations in society aren't enforced to such ridiculous extremes. If we say that you can't have single sex spaces without genital inspections then logically we must also abandon traffic lights unless we have a policeman at every junction and self assessment forms unless we have a tax inspector looking over everyone's shoulder.

Additionally, those saying that sex can't be policed at a glance with 100% reliability, but also think spaces should be based on gender identity, dodge the very obvious point that sex can be determined far more accurately and reliably than gender identity can. So if small risk of errors is a deal breaker for you then sex based spaces are the best policy.

How would Rishi?
How would any party?

Well said. We don’t need inspections

My silence?🤣🤣🤣 Of all the accusations I've had leveled against me in my lifetime, silence isn't one of them. I agree that Labour could do so much better by women. TBF, they couldn't do any worse than this shower of Tory shite.

From the guardian article posted upthread;

after newsletter promotionIn a nod to the different views among some in Labour on the topic of gender and sex, Dodds said: “We need to recognise that sex and gender are different – as the Equality Act does. We will make sure that nothing in our modernised gender recognition process would override the single-sex exemptions in the Equality Act.

So why do you believe that Labour will amend the Act when Dodds says that the Equality Act already protects single sex exemptions (it doesn't) as per the advice note of Blackstone law?

15. Finally, one commentator has argued that the Inner House’s decision underscores the potential practical importance, for transgender people, of acquiring a GRC: “the consequence of having a GRC following [the Inner House’s decision] is a prima facie right to use the services of the sex which has been confirmed by the GRC … the practical effect of the judgment is that the principles and presumptions where a trans-person is excluded from a single-sex space will differ depending on whether they have a GRC. A trans-person without a GRC excluded from a single-sex service or space is being treated differently because of their sex … However, if a trans-person with a GRC is excluded from a service provided for those with the sex confirmed by their GRC, they are being treated differently because of the protected characteristic of gender reassignment. This is where the Court held that there is a prima facie right of access. In practice, it may be that exclusion is presumptively justified in the former case, but unjustified in the latter

Labour could do more on this, you know that, I know that.

@lifeturnsonadime

If your biological son were a feminine trans, you may well think very differently.

As I said, the issue is more nuanced than current debate allows.

Your tribalism runs deep @TooBigForMyBoots .

I want all parties to do right by women.

Expect the tories have yet to show anything that would actually change the equality act. Also labour welcomed the review and the fact that the tories allegedly said they were going to look at defining biological sex.

But of course you’ll ignore this

So it's 'be kind' to the males even if it harms the females?

I've got a daughter too, she deserves better than that. She's not second class to a males gender identity.

My tribalism? You have no idea what party I'll be voting for. I have no idea what party I'll be voting for yet. But it won't be the Labour Party.

Don't project your tribalism onto me.

We will make sure that nothing in our modernised gender recognition process would override the single-sex exemptions in the Equality Act.

This means they won't put in place a GRA update that erodes single sex spaces.
It doesn't say anything about not amending the EA.

Labour aren't in power yet and so far they have more woman-centred policy on this than any other party. So not sure why you are making their stance your core voting issue. Its weird. I'd have thought you'd want to hear more from the other parties before deciding your vote.

Just as a reminder:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/627984

This response was given on 25 January 2023:
This Government believes in individual liberty. There are processes with appropriate checks to allow for those who wish to legally change their gender. Changes to the Equality Act are not necessary.

Why aren't you starting loads of threads about the Conservative position on this? They could have sorted it out in the last year instead of fannying around with boats.

@lifeturnsonadime

I said "nuance" for a reason.

Where obviously-feminine trans folk go to the loo may not be for women to figure out, correct.

But it is for society to figure out.

Because they don't belong in men's loos either.

I'm so bored. I feel like we need a "The Script: Gender Version" for AIBU

It goes:

Poster starts thread about the Tories know what a woman is
Posters say fuck Tories
More posters arrive to say they are voting Tory
Claim posters are "shutting women down"
Throw accusations around about TRAs/MRAs/Men to women you don't agree with
Claim "making posters feel stupid won't win them round"
Rosie Duffield links
Some extrapolation about the Equality Act mixed in with downright misunderstandings
Conspiracy theories about lefties

Usually we are about page 40, thread mercifully stops

2 day break, start again

I've yet to see a thread like this started by a pro-Starmer poster, which is interesting.

Well sure Labour - no one’s talking about it is the standard line

For a reason. A couple of questions in and their position falls apart

The best they’ve got is hoping women won’t care or talk about it at all

That title needs work.

Except the Tories have committed to amending the Equality Act

No they haven’t. Badenock has made vague murmurings. It’s hardly even been mentioned otherwise.