To think this is a vote winner (though not election clincher) from Sunak?

[Lion400]

Thought this was an impressive and clear response to the question, from Rishi. I suppose Labour will likely win by a landslide, because many people don’t care enough about women’s rights. Because I do care very much about women’s rights, I may vote Conservative for the first time ever (cue outrage for Lion). Will I regret it? Possibly. But I’d regret voting for Labour (aka women’s rights removers), even more.

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1757143443111841900

So which women don't I speak for?

It's reasonable to assume, in the absence of any other explanation of what you mean, that the women I don't speak for must be the ones who think that the right of males to be in women's single spaces is more important than the rights of women who need those spaces for safety and dignity, so women of minority religious groups, sexual assault survivors, girls wanting to pee away from males in schools and so on...

Absolutely. They belong in the men's. Anyone disputing that is causing problems. If men make them feel unwelcome there, then men are the problem. It's not women's issue to solve.

Most people want that. And most people know the Tories aren't going to deliver it. They are sucking you into fighting their culture war. If they wanted women's votes they'd have made British women's lives better in the 14 years they've been in power.

But they didn't. Instead they reduced our circumstances, made it more difficult for us to get justice and ceded our rights to the MRAs, TRAs, misogynists and rapists within the party and beyond.

No one can look at the Tories and believe they're the party for women's rights. They're not.🤷‍♀️

You don't have to vote Labour by the way, there's other parties you can go for.

Most people want that

Who will deliver it? As a party in power

So which women don't I speak for?

The numerous ones that on this thread that disagree with you for a start. And the 62% of people who think the OP is unreasonable. I actually specified which women when I said Some of us don’t share these views because our concerns about the condition of women is much wider than a single issue. but you’re so obsessed with your bloody toilets you don’t even read what’s posted before you start arguing about it.

Most people want that - that's really good to hear because it's not reflected in these tribal posts which focus on what the Tories have allowed to happen rather than how Labour will fix it if they are elected.

I don't believe that the Tories are the party to vote for for women's rights either, I never said they were.

All I am trying to urge women on this thread to do is to lobby Labour to do better on this.

Otherwise we sleepwalk into a position where Labour continue to erode women's rights to single sex spaces. We shouldn't have to pay that price for fear of another Tory government. It's too important.

Well she framed it as a vote winner for the Tories. If you frame the question that way then you are going to rile people.

And for the love of god I'm not obsessed about toilets. Stop minimising the harms to women from trans ideology.

All I am trying to urge women on this thread to do is to lobby Labour to do better on this

That I can agree on. But we have to get Labour into government first. Lobbying the opposition is pointless.

Why?

Please explain this. They will persist in saying that no one is interested or no one is talking about these things if we don't talk about them to them.

Pre-election is the BEST time to talk about it, they might be concerned they will lose votes and are more likely to listen.

If they’re not listening now why would they after being voted in?

They won't, they'll have the mandate without it being an raised as an issue.

Being silent on it now enables them to do what they want when in power.

They are already using the 'no one is talking about it on the doorstep' as a reason not to prioritise it.

If pp think they can change Labour after they have mandate even if they won’t discuss it now.. well good luck to them. Labour voters can lobby

Being silent on it now enables them to do what they want when in power

No danger of that is there? Hopefully the whole discussion will retire back to the FWR board once the general election’s over.

Hiding threads is an option

Just ignore and hide

It won't though. When Labour's position is clear people will be asking where the feminists were and why people weren't asking questions of Labour.

People are going to be bitterly disappointed.

Which people?

I will also be voting Tory for much the same reasons. I think the only thing I remotely don’t agree with is the Riley Gaines shout out. She’s in it for her own kudos. Which is fine, but I wish she’d be honest.

The people who thought anything was better than the tories and thought that Labour would reverse the harm to women's single sex spaces caused by gender ideology. They believed it was all the awful Tories who hated women.

They'll realise Labour didn't care enough to fix it and in fact made it even easier for men to be falsify their birth certificates.

They'll know this because nothing will improve even under Labour. If they raise it they could be guilty of a hate crime.

Awful really. Why won't Labour put this right? Can anyone answer that ?

The people who thought anything was better than the tories and thought that Labour would reverse the harm to women's single sex spaces caused by gender ideology.

Those aren’t necessarily the same. I think anything’s better than a Tory government and am happy with the law as it stands. So, come a Labour government, I’ll be happy as a pug in muck.

@IClaudine
Stop it. That is not what Blossom said. You need to stop putting words into other women's mouths

Agree
Reminds me of Mean Girls -

Regina - "So you agree? You think you're pretty?"

Cady - "wait, what?!"

😁

Oh for god's sake. I honestly think the only thing which will satisfy you is for every woman on this thread to fall into line with you and agree that Badenoch is going to save us from horrible trans women. It's sad, because you alienate women who might share some of your concerns.

It's pointless arguing with you.

Happy as a pig in muck in spite of the continued erosion of women's single sex spaces.

You do you blossomtoes, I care about those vulnerable women and girls excluded to favour males.

Labour could do something about those women and girls too. This is something you persistently fail to address.

Why don't they Blossom?

Imagine if Badenoch loses her seat. One can but dream.

I am asking what Labour will do.

Why won't anyone answer this question. If Labour cares so much about women why don't they solve this?

and I'm not interested in a 'but the tories response'.

Why don't Labour care about women's single sex spaces?