To think this is a vote winner (though not election clincher) from Sunak?

[Lion400]

Thought this was an impressive and clear response to the question, from Rishi. I suppose Labour will likely win by a landslide, because many people don’t care enough about women’s rights. Because I do care very much about women’s rights, I may vote Conservative for the first time ever (cue outrage for Lion). Will I regret it? Possibly. But I’d regret voting for Labour (aka women’s rights removers), even more.

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1757143443111841900

I care about woman's rights which is why I won't vote for the party that have been in power for the past 14 years.

Any complaints you have about trans right, women's rights, children rights, poverty, housing etc etc is down the the conservative policies for the past 14 years. Voting them in again will just result in more of the same.

Well they can all speak up and clarify pre GE

More pressure the better

I care about woman's rights which is why I won't vote for the party that have been in power for the past 14 years

Any complaints you have about trans right, women's rights, children rights, poverty, housing etc etc is down the the conservative policies for the past 14 years. Voting them in again will just result in more of the same

Well said

What do you mean it's not about Labour?

The OP specifically talks about Labour's stance on this and Rishi's interview with GB News being the reason she might vote Tory on this single issue.

I think you read a different OP.

Are you convinced Labour will protect sex based rights more

Why?

Going back to earlier question still unanswered on their statement

What spaces? How legally would they keep men with a GRC out?

Any complaints you have about trans right, women's rights, children rights, poverty, housing etc etc is down the the conservative policies for the past 14 years. Voting them in again will just result in more of the same.

Except the Tories have committed to amending the Equality Act and Labour have expressly stated that they will not. So, in so far as women's single sex spaces are concerned, a vote for Labour is continuing the current situation, a vote for Tory is not.

But don't let facts get in your way.

Yet in 2021 a Tory Minister stood at the Despatch Box and said that TWAW and TMAM in relation to a Maternity Bill. That was only 3 years ago.

3 years ago is a long time in politics.

The Tories have changed their views on this. The Labour Party has not.

Well said.👏👏👏

All the clapping etc doesn’t convince if no one can answer this

What spaces? How legally would they keep men with a GRC out?

Either from Labour or in support of it

Oh well if the conversations have "committed" to doing something then it's fine.

They always always see through the false promises commitments they make.

All the clapping etc doesn’t convince
Nobody's trying to convince you (I'm not, anyway)
Interesting that's your take on people disagreeing with your viewpoint though.
Projection, maybe?

*conservatives not conversations 😂

They always always see through the false promisescommitments they make.

Ha, always

No idea what that post is about. I’m asking for people to answer a question, can you?

Wrt Labour’s statement

What spaces? How legally would they keep men with a GRC out?

No idea what that post is about

Figures

What's the Tory proposal for this?

I would be interested to know thoughts on this.

Let me say up front, I am firmly with Sharron Davies - Trans-women have no place in female sports. It’s unfair, end of.

But where I’m struggling is an answer to a practical problem.

I recently attended a wedding of two trans-women. Both look/behave/sound to all intents and purposes like women. Feminine, dressed immaculately, hair and make-up (way more than me!), and you wouldn’t have a clue they were biological men. They are a loving couple and pose no threat to anyone.

Where do folks expect them to go to the toilet?

In my opinion they would be in very great danger using a men’s toilet.

Yes I’m totally aware there are so-called trans-women who are opportunistic predators.

And I have zero interest in unisex toilets. The whiff at my local pub tells me no thanks.

But what are feminine, and dare I say, genuine trans-women supposed to do.

Now you might say, well I don’t care, as long as it’s not in female loos. But that’s not really an answer, or realistic. They have to go somewhere. And until society introduces a law that says every hotel, restaurant, pub, venue, sports hall, swimming pool, gallery etc has to have a non-gender assigned loo (at let's be honest great expense), we are where we are.

Fuck know what that lovely couple do now. I assume they use the female loo and nobody notices.

The issue is more nuanced than the current debate allows.

Ok insults going well as per, silly and a bit weak

But an answer?

I take the resorting to insults rather than answer is down to lack of coherence in Labour’s statement

It isn’t sound or clear

To make the necessary amendments to the Equality Act.

As @AdamRyan pointed out upthread it's not easy or quick to amend primary legislation. But they have said they will amend it.

Whereas Labour has said they will not.

@AhNowTed

In my opinion they would be in very great danger using a men’s toilet.

At their own wedding?

But even if that's not what you meant why is that the problem of women to solve?

We keep spaces free from all males to keep women safe. If we let these lovely trans women in then we have to let all trans women in including Katie Dalotowski who sexually assaulted 2 girls in the toilets of Morrisons because we can't tell which trans women are lovely and which ones are not.

@lifeturnsonadime

Women's single sex spaces shouldn't be the price to pay for a Labour government. We need women to be angry with Labour about this to change things. Sitting back and saying 'well the Tories will be worse', is mind blowing to me. Women fought for the right to vote. We should fight for the right to be recognised as a sex class. We should be lobbying Labour Candidates and letting them know we won't accept this continued erosion of our rights.

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Erosion of our political voice. Erosion of our right to speak about what it is to be female and not male. Erosion of the ability to record accurate statistics that evidence the impact of those differences. Erosion of the right to ever have time and space away from men and their overbearing entitlement to all the space and attention in the room.

These things are just as important to me as physical spaces and it terrifies me that in future I could be disciplined, even prosecuted, simply for speaking about the female experience or for doing things to support and protect female people.

So they were clear in 2017 when PM Theresa May first put Self ID on the table. Then, according to you @lifeturnsonadime, they saw the harms 5 years ago in 2019. Yet in 2021 they stuck to the TWAW line wrt government policy?

The past 3 years has been a long time for everyone, not just in politics. We have endured 3 Tory PMs, shit loads of different cabinet ministers and all the chaos that brings. You say the Tories have changed their views on this, then they better get a move on and safeguard women's rights now because they're out at the next GE and Sunak's successor may just be a TWAW believer.

Are you enjoying picking through my posts? Seems a bit obsessive. I don't know what Theresa May's thought process was back in 2017 (that's more than 5 years ago by the way!) any more than you do. I would imagine she was under the control of the same lobbyists who are on Starmer's back now.

But the Tories have rowed back from Self ID (thank goodness).

Under Labour proposals we will still have self ID through the backdoor because they are making falsifying birth certificates even easier and have said that no amendments to the Equality Act is required. to protect single sex spaces when they patently are.

I want ALL politicians to do right by women. I want Starmer to commit to preserving single sex spaces.

Why do you believe that this is an unreasonable request? Why do you believe that Starmer continues to want to put the wishes of males above the needs of females when it comes to single sex spaces, after all of the evidence of harm?