To think this is a vote winner (though not election clincher) from Sunak?

[Lion400]

Thought this was an impressive and clear response to the question, from Rishi. I suppose Labour will likely win by a landslide, because many people don’t care enough about women’s rights. Because I do care very much about women’s rights, I may vote Conservative for the first time ever (cue outrage for Lion). Will I regret it? Possibly. But I’d regret voting for Labour (aka women’s rights removers), even more.

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1757143443111841900

Yes yes, that is exactly what I meant. Your comprehension and deduction is second to none. Women should also only cross their legs at the ankles. Don’t speak unless spoken too. Smile sweetly at all times.

Ironically, some of us appear to be the wrong kind of woman, even though we are of the "cunty" variety.

OP literally posed the question "AIBU to think this is a vote winner" so it isn't "whataboutery" to point out the many reasons why voters may not be swayed by Sunak's stance even if they agree with him on this one issue. These things are entirely relevant to the OP, not every post on the thread has to focus on toilets and changing rooms.

Sigh. Press Repeat.
It is more that Labour will be a bad choice for women’s rights.
I’m keeping it short. Because this has all been said already.

Some classic TRA lines being used on here - just saying...

The Labour policy is to protect single sex spaces for biological women.

They have never specified that they are talking about biological women.

Men with a GRC will fall under the heading of 'legal' women and they have said nothing about keeping them out of single sex spaces.

That will give some information. As does their continued refusal to apologise to Rosie Duffield for their harassment of her.

I was answering your question: Show some evidence that labour are doing anything to protect old fashioned cunty type women. You are deflecting because the answer didn't suit you.

This makes no sense: Of course violence won't dramatically reduce when they arrive actively campaigning for many women's voices to be ignored

If labour are more successful in locking up rapists and their plan to halve violence against women and girls is even partway successful women will benefit from it.

Why do you do this? Why do you accuse women who challenge you of being TRAs/MRAs/men? I have been accused of this and so has Adam Ryan.

We need to recognise that sex and gender are different – as the Equality Act does. We will make sure that nothing in our modernised gender recognition process would override the single-sex exemptions in the Equality Act. Put simply, this means that there will always be places where it is reasonable for biological women only to have access. Labour will defend those spaces, providing legal clarity for the providers of single-sex services.

Why do you do this? Why do you accuse people who challenge you of being TRAs/MRAs/men? I have been accused of this and so has Adam Ryan
They always do that, think it's to try and smear/cast doubt/insinuate bad intentions if you are posting against "group think."
Can't possibly be a woman, must be a TRA or a man.
It's a form of othering.
See also - Tone too "aggressive?! MAN! unless it's them and then it's but women don't have to be nice
🙄😁

What did you mean by mentioning that there would be ‘outrage’, and then being triumphant that there had been said ‘outrage’? How did you want everyone to respond?

Labour will defend those spaces, providing legal clarity for the providers of single-sex services.

I do not see that the evidence backs this up. Can you link to official comms from Labour that specifies the rights of biological women?

Deflection, ignore it
True, and yes should really

I'll tell you who you definitely can't believe: the Tory party.

They introduced Self ID to UK politics. They wrote genderwoo into their new Maternity Bill. They put a minister at the Despatch Box, who declared TWAW, TMAM when the HoL challenged the Tory Maternity Bill. They've repeatedly appointed TWAW believers to head our Education system. They appointed the world's first Trans MP as their representative to the Women's and Equalities Commision. They've drafted and repeatedly defended trans in the Conversion therapy ban.

No surprise really as they are the party of men's rights. Women have disproportionately suffered ever since they came to power.

Maybe Labour are fibbing. The Tories are definitely lying.

I've linked to what they have released so far, but here it is again.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories

As for anything else, wait for the manifestos.

I'll tell you who you definitely can't believe: the Tory party.

You don't have to believe either of them though ...

I did not take my own advice at the weekend, it can be hard 🙈
Sometimes I wonder if its worth the harm to my mental health getting into these fights. Hopefully the GE will be in May and things will calm down a bit afterwards

Quoting labour’s Shadow Secretary of State for Women and Equalities:

• *“We need to recognise that sex and gender are different – as the Equality Act does. We will make sure that nothing in our modernised gender recognition process would override the single-sex exemptions in the Equality Act. “Put simply, this means that there will always be places where it is reasonable for biological women only to have access. Labour will defend those spaces, providing legal clarity for the providers of single-sex services.”

source: The Guardian

I've linked to what they have released so far, but here it is again.

What that states is ...

It will be easier than it is currently, for a man to get a GRC (one doctor can sign off on it).

That will then change his legal sex on official documents.

There is absolutely nothing there to suggest that single sex spaces will be protected for biological women.

Did you not read the preceding line of the quote?

Did you not read the preceding line of the quote?

I did. See my response to another poster above

I'm not accusing you or any other particular poster of anything.

It could of course, just be a coincidence that ardent Labour supporters and TRA tactics coincide.

I am talking about the following -

Sex based rights are a privileged belief
Focusing on toilets/ changing rooms
The younger generation don't care
Echo chamber
Don't like other women disagreeing with you, should we be meek and ladylike?

All tactics regularly used by TRAs.

Please don't arrogantly assume you know my motivations. You do seem to struggle to hear what anyone else is saying but don't start imagining deflection just to hide that reality. My question was quoting a PP talking about women in prisons, refuges etc. Your answer did not address their needs. The second part made perfect sense. Re read it with much less arrogant belief in your own viewpoint and that might help.

Violence to women occurs because people see women as less, other, here to serve. Labour's 'women can have penises' places women in those exact positions. That view supports abuse to women.