To think this is a vote winner (though not election clincher) from Sunak?

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Thought this was an impressive and clear response to the question, from Rishi. I suppose Labour will likely win by a landslide, because many people don’t care enough about women’s rights. Because I do care very much about women’s rights, I may vote Conservative for the first time ever (cue outrage for Lion). Will I regret it? Possibly. But I’d regret voting for Labour (aka women’s rights removers), even more.

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I don't know what "Trans Labour" is. I suspect they are about as worthy of my attention as PopCon (Liz Truss new movement)

The Labour policy is to protect single sex spaces for biological women. I agree with that so I'll vote for them. They also have a heap of other policies I like, such as to halve violence against women and girls.

I didn't say that. I said in your specific scenario it would be better, perhaps to rely on the PC of age or disability than Sex. In most circumstances Sex would also come into play.

When you say menopause is not a disability I would suggest that for some women it does fall within the definition of disability under the Equality Act.

You're disabled under the Equality Act 2010 if you have a physical or mental impairment that has a 'substantial' and 'long-term' negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities.

There's no ffs sake about it unless you are totally downplaying the health affects it has on some women. The fact that it is a natural part of being female doesn't mean it doesn't impact in a way which brings it within the remit under the Act.

Having a pc of menopause add's nothing at all to the situation for women, when the discrimination can be addressed by other PC's.

Pregnancy does need special protection because of the lengths of time women take out of work after giving birth.

I actually can't get too fussed either way of creating a specific pc as women are protected either way.

This is much less of a priority, in my opinion, that the amendment that is required to ensure single sex spaces for women. Women are actually being harmed as a result of that bad law.

Quite.

Mention the barriers for these women and they will wince and tell you how very much more important vulnerable men are.

If really pushed, they will try the good old con line of they care about single sex spaces (but men need to be able to be any sex they want).

Clarity is still lacking. I don’t see the issue with getting it.

Some pp are convinced Labour won’t be weaker on sex based rights.

This kind of media spotlight on it will get politicians stating views. The more outlets the better.

The media spotlight has pretty much ignored what Sunak said yesterday. It is all on Rochdale at the moment.

Can I just answer the original question: is it a vote winner? Well his focus groups clearly tell him it is, so that's why he's jumped on it (I genuinely don't believe he cares less) But it's a very small vote winner Some people feel passionately about this, but in my experience most younger women really don't. My younger relatives (teens, 20s, 30s) can live with men in their changing rooms they tell me in the cause of accepting difference.

They care about childcare, cost of living, being able to get on the property ladder, climate change (I would bet in the 20/30 female demographic they care far more about this than women's rights). They care about the way the govt responded to covid, the seeming corruption around government, water being pumped into rivers and seas, failing state education.

For those saying 'it's just about women', this thread asked is this a vote winner and I'm answering that - for a small amount of women who are particularly engaged with this one issue perhaps yes, but for the vast majority (and in that I'd include almost all men), it's just not.

No, I will not vote Tory because I believe that another 5 years will be a massive retrograde step for women’s rights. They have presided over 14 years of policies that have made women and childreb poorer, more disadvantaged and less equal and I want no more of it.

i think that believing that a sound bite from Sunak like this suddenly makes the Tories champions of women’s rights is incredibly naive.

A policy to halve violence against women and girls protects cunty type women
A policy to prosecute repeat rapists and domestic abusers as serious criminals protects cunty type women
A policy to improve access to affordable childcare so mothers can choose to work and be financially independent protects cunty type women
A policy to protect the interests of cohabiting partners with children when they split up protects cunty type women

These are all labour policies that will benefit cunty type women when Labour are elected

My younger relatives (teens, 20s, 30s) can live with men in their changing rooms they tell me in the cause of accepting difference.

I find it so sad that this suggests young women are either very naiive about or don't care about the women who cannot live with men in their changing rooms etc, are much less privileged than they are, and are just being excluded from women's resources so that men can use them.

Apparently the capacity to care about others less fortunate and about equality for all instead of 'well I'm all right jack' is becoming an 'old person' thing.

I'm desperately sorry for the mums with daughters in this age group who are not part of the lucky 'we don't (have to) care' class. Sorry girls, the 1990s were as good as it ever got for you.

It won’t just be one item, but people discussing it all helps

I'm enjoying the reversal in ratio on this from last week's threads. It's almost as if AIBU voting is quite capricious and not too indicative of actual voting preferences

Oh, it's so nice to see this type of thread out in the open sometimes - when it's away from the echo chamber board you realise that there is still a little bit of sanity and hope left out there!
YABU.
Cloud cuckoo land if you think the Tories are going to be a good choice for women.

Apparently the capacity to care about others less fortunate and about equality for all instead of 'well I'm all right jack' is becoming an 'old person' thing.

Hahahahaha.

'Well I'm all right jack' is very much an 'old person' thing, just ask boomers.

What do the Tories plan to do about this and why haven’t they taken any action already?

Just a pedantic point of note, what Labour actually said about protecting single sex spaces is that it can be done "where it is reasonable for biological women only to have access."

The word "reasonable" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence.

What I would really like is for Keir Starmer to add some clarity to exactly what this means.

As per previous, I think a lot of Keir Starmer and I think he'd make an excellent PM but this issue is important to me. It feels as if it would take only a small amount of clarification so we can understand exactly what Labour are saying but the question is will Labour provide this clarification? And if not, then why not?

Hey, ageism doesn't help here.

I think you've nailed it @horseyhorsey17.

A Tory vote is an anti-woman vote!

Yes it needs clarification

And if it’s avoided, why?

NashvilleQueen

@EffieeBriest totally agree.

I and every person I know are voting with one single purpose. To get the Tories out

Same and same

By ‘outrage’, do you mean women disagreeing with you? Should women who do not agree with you, stay quiet and be meek and ladylike?

So you've nothing to say in response to the women in prisons, refuges, sexual abuse survivors, religious minority? you don't care about them? they're just collateral damage in the important business of making dicks happy? If lavourbdont know who actually are women, these policies and every stat they produce are air. Of course violence won't dramatically reduce when they arrive actively campaigning for many women's voices to be ignored. Forcing women to use opposite aex pronouns makes rape reporting less likely. All these policies are marred by their women hating.

Fair enough, just pointing out the sheer nonsence in the poster's assertion that the older generation are the ones to care about those less fortunate and about equality in the poster's own words. Boomers are way more likely to vote Conservative.

Perhaps wait for Labour's Manifesto? And compare and contrast with the Tories' when they're out.

By ‘outrage’, do you mean women disagreeing with you? Should women who do not agree with you, stay quiet and be meek and ladylike?

Yup
Let women speak!
No hang on, not you 😁