To think this is a vote winner (though not election clincher) from Sunak?

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Thought this was an impressive and clear response to the question, from Rishi. I suppose Labour will likely win by a landslide, because many people don’t care enough about women’s rights. Because I do care very much about women’s rights, I may vote Conservative for the first time ever (cue outrage for Lion). Will I regret it? Possibly. But I’d regret voting for Labour (aka women’s rights removers), even more.

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1757143443111841900

No one thinks they are going to need a refuge or go to prison. However the vast majority of low income and minority women see how Tory policies have impacted their everyday lives: cost of living, schools, the NHS. If it’s a toss up between the extremely remote possibility of having to share a prison with a male, and actually being able to get a GP’s appointment, or a maths teacher for my child, I know which one I’ll choose.

And of course the elephant in the room is that males in prisons and women’s refuges all happened on the current governments watch and they’ve done nothing to address it.

No woman has a penis. It is scientifically and biologically impossible (barring DSDs, which is a medical anomally). We cannot believe a party that embraces Alternative Facts and denies science and biology.

Rwanda and any other 'whataboutery' has nothing to do with this discussion. Do better.

They can't do that without amendments to the Equality Act which they are refusing to make.

No, no, no.

"There are circumstances where a lawfully-established separate or single-sex service provider can prevent, limit or modify trans people’s access to the service. This is allowed under the Act."

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/guidance-separate-and-single-sex-service-providers-equality-act-sex-and-gender-reassignment-exceptions.pdf

There is a thread running from a woman who is worried they won't be able to survive the hike in their mortgage payments. Does Sunak knowing what a woman is solve that woman's problems? There will be tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of women like her across the UK.

Most people don't have the luxury of this issue even being on their radar.

You do realise that minority / vulnerable women are more likely to be impacted by Labour failing to resolve the single sex space issue as they are more likely to need to use refuges and end up in prison?

And what have the Tories done over the past 14 years to help ensure these women don't end up in refuges or prisons in the first place? Or doesn't that part matter?

I don't think it is really.
If I get sacked by an employer on performance basis due to my menopausal brain fog, but they continue to employ large numbers of non-foggy younger women, what grounds would I have for sex based discrimination?

It would be an easy win to protect menopausal women, from a minister who apparently cares about women's rights.

This has been addressed ad infinitum on this and other threads.

But I'll try again.

I'm not a Tory voter.

It is for the Opposition Party to oppose the harms done by Tory Policies, so after 14 years of seeing the harm done to vulnerable women, why does the Labour Party intend to make it even easier for men to falsify their birth certificates?

Why haven't they said enough is enough and acknoweldged the harms to women and committed to closing the loophole created by allowing males to be legal women in the Equality Act.

If they really cared about these vulnerable women they could so easily put this right, but they won't.

Oh here we go. Mortgage payments. The discussion is about womens rights to single sex spaces. Not mortgage payments. Not climate change. Not transport. Not taxes. Not any other whataboutery.

If your employer treated you differently in that situation based on your age rather than your sex that's age discrimination.

If your menopausal symptons are long term and have an significant impact on your ability to carry out day to day activities it's covered by disability discrimination.

It is not whataboutery to discuss issues which might be more important to the average woman.

The Tories have been in power for 13 years. During that time the erosion of women's rights/status in society has been continually undermined. Let alone the treatment of women by the police, the fire service, in the civil service - the list goes on. And that's without adding the (admitted) maladministration of the WASPI women's pension (when George Osborne felt he could go for women because they were an easy target).

If they're jumping on this bandwagon now, it's only because they think it could be a vote winner. Let's not forget Theresa May was championing self ID, Penny Mordant is a key figure in this too.

You can't trust them on the economy and you certainly can't trust them on this. It will be women standing up to be counted that will change things, not politicians.

It genuinely terrifies me someone would vote for the tories based on something like this 😅

What part of the last decade has hinted they give a shit about women? Christ.

Can anyone anyone answer honestly, who can we believe; Starmer or TransLabour, without dragging up taxes, art, mortgage payments, climate change, and any other desperate whataboutery? Can ANYONE answer the bloddy question? Honestly? With integrity? In good faith?

(answer, gentle reader; No).

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I am 100% voting conservatives Op
And it's perfectly acceptable to choose which if any of their policies you side with (WOMEN ARE WOMEN AND DONT HAVE A PENIS) is a major one for me. I don't agree with all their policies but I agree on more of theirs than any other political party's.

OK, so the GRC doesn't change sex then, and so we don't need to worry about single sex spaces becoming mixed sex because the GRC changes sex.

It's hard to keep up with the facts, I keep getting told no women have penises, but its not possible to have truly single sex spaces because some women have penises

It is when the topic is single sex spaces. Not ANYTHING ELSE. Create a different thread if you want to talk about mortgages, or climate change, or taxes, or art, or transport...

In a nutshell. The Tories only care about a certain type of woman, And it isn't the women who are struggling financially or who end up in refuges or prisons or in the mental healthcare system. It is not whataboutery to demonstrate that.

I would really like Keir Starmer to be PM as I believe that fundamentally he's a principled, decent guy who is intelligent and would represent the UK well.

I'm absolutely gutted that he's treading water on women's rights. I don't believe that he really thinks some women have a penis, but he's too scared of upsetting the left wing of the party or a portion of left-leaning voters.

I despise the Tories with every inch of my being. I think although Rishi has improved his presentations, he's slimy and untrustworthy.

And yet.

Women will lose our identity and rights under Labour in a move that will be difficult to reverse. Changes will be made that I fear will never be undone.

We all know the Tories don't ACTUALLY care about women but at the moment, they're literally the only party who are attempting to draw a clear line between gender identity and sex. We know where the Tories stand on this issue.

I agree with everything PP say about the other critical issues, which is why it absolutely stinks to even consider voting Conservative. But the problem is that women always come bottom of the pile. Our rights are never as important as anything else. But maybe this time they are.

If you're not concerned about a male-bodied individual sharing your space or taking a woman's place then you're in a privileged position. Many women will be deeply affected if we don't retain clear differences between the sexes, irrespective of gender.

For me, it might be a case of holding my nose and voting for the Tories, and just desperately hoping that by the time the next election rolls around they haven't done too much more damage to everything else.

There are lots of female Labour voters who like me, feel as we've been put into an impossible position. I can't vote away women's rights - we don't even have equality yet and we're already losing what we had fought so hard to gain.

In fairness though, it won't matter. Labour will win which other than the gender ID issue, is a good thing. Women will be utterly fucked over though. But as always, no one will care about that.

OK so menopause isn't covered in sex discrimination then.
Also menopause isn't a disability ffs (more generally, not aimed at you dime) I find that offensive. It's a natural part of being female.
I'd like to see menopause discrimination being illegal, like maternity discrimination is illegal, because that genuinely would protect women's rights.

Women will lose our identity and rights under Labour in a move that will be difficult to reverse. Changes will be made that I fear will never be undone

Which move is that? Can you provide evidence, please?

The GRC allows males to enter womens spaces. No women have penises. That, is why the GRC is dangerous to women. And Labour is dangerous because TransLabour have said they will make sure Labour keeps the GRC and that they won't allow transwomen (read; male, with cock and balls) out of womens spaces. If you needed someone to explain to you that women don't have a cock and balls, you are beyond reasoning with.

You're not the thread police. The thread title is 'this is a vote winner' - posters are pointing out that it really isn't, or certainly shouldn't be because one soundbite on a dodgy 'news' interview doesn't count for much against all the lies, incompetence, cruelty, dodgy dealing etc by the Conservatives over the past 14 years.

Poppycock. Show some evidence that labour are doing anything to protect old fashioned cunty type women.

Indeed 🙄

You know exactly what I'm referencing.

Plenty of posters have laid out on this thread precisely what the concerns are, and what women will lose.

You don't have to agree with me but don't be disingenuous. Faux innocence isn't helpful here.

You're right. And labour only care about the 'women' with dicks. So neither are anything but awful.