To not vote Labour because of their abhorrent views on the female sex?

[Lion400]

Starmer cannot represent women, he can’t even define us. Questioning a trans person is a hate crime, but misogyny is not. Sorry Labour, you’ve lost my vote. Have they lost anyone else’s??

‘On trans ideology, the vast majority of voters, and certainly a majority of traditional Labour voters from working class backgrounds, tend to cast a sceptical eye on the tenets of an ideological movement that asserts that biological men must be accepted as women – and be offered similar rights and access to women’s spaces and sports as women – simply by asserting their new status’

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The problem is that I don't want the Tories to stay in power.

But I'm genuinely worried about what will happen if Labour get in.

Rock me hard place.

I know posters will say no one cares etc but I appreciate other women who do

Argh that wasn't supposed to be a strikeout. You get the point though.

Yes absolutely I find the treatment of women in this trans discourse very troubling

The significant majority of sexual assaults happen in unisex toilets / changing rooms.

This statement requires evidence - please provide.

There has certainly been a level of confusion over trans rights and women’s rights until relatively recently. However Labour have nailed their colours to the mast on this one now. As have the Conservatives.

The Tories are more misogynistic in general than Labour in my view. It's all about being selfish. Some Tory policies would make me better off but I don't want a society where people are only out for themselves. Being called a lying scammer at large by some cunt like Ian Duncan Smith because I'm a disability claimant was a highlight.

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In addition.

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/15/child-abuse-inquiry-lawyer-labours-rule-in-rochdale-toxic

The only vote surely should be for health services, nothing else matters if we can't access basic healthcare provision, since we won't be around to argue for or against any wider issues.

The next election needs to sort out the health service first and foremost, everything else is a wishlist of surplus 'luxury' needs if and when we don't have people waiting in ambulances for half a day, then waiting for a bed for two days after suffering life threatening conditions such as stroke....

What are the conservatives planning to do about it Lion? I haven't seen anything concrete which is a shame with their majority

Easily available online. Look it up.

YANBU. Politically homeless here, I’ve been spoiling my ballot for years.

I believe the data comes from a freedom of information request made to the MoJ in 2019.

I beleive it was also stated that TW retain male patterns of offending.

I’m far from privileged. I’m a social worker with a disabled child, and we aren’t a white family. I’m well aware of all the ways in which the Tories have fucked and will continue to fuck people like us over.

I still think women’s rights is an issue worth standing up for. If not that, then what?

@pointythings Soz, can't find who said those stats but I got this from the ONS website- (it did not mention changing rooms or bathrooms)

Location-For the years ending March 2017 and March 2020 combined, the most common location for rape or assault by penetration to occur was in the victim’s home (37%), followed by the perpetrator’s home (26%). The assault had taken place in a park, other open public space, car park or on the street for 9% of victims.

I actually hate Labour for taking this stance, because I'm desperate for us to get the tories out! I've always voted Labour, but not this time.
People who said they were lifetime Labour voters, voted Tory last time. Because, they wouldn't vote to let Corbyn in after the media portrayed him as being an IRA loving, communist, who would open the flood gates to immigrants.
Wait until the media starts publishing all the Labour MPs quoting that a woman can have a penis and everything that goes along with that! The tories will have a field day with this.
It could definitely cost them the election. Its like they don't even want to get in!

The significant majority of sexual assaults happen in unisex toilets / changing rooms.

Just to be clear you're saying a significant majority of all sexual assaults?

I just have.

You claimed that the majority of sexual assaults took place in mixed sex changing rooms.

This is not true.

The majority of sexual assaults that happen in leisure facilities take place in mixed sex changing rooms. That is NOT the same as saying the majority of all sexual assaults that happen take place there. I don't know whether you are misunderstanding the data or deliberately trying to mislead, but either way you are incorrect.

FWIW I don't like mixed sex changing rooms. I'm fine with cubicles, however.

Ex-Labour party member here who left the party over this shit show. I spoiled my ballot last time because I couldn't bring myself to vote Tory and I have no idea who to vote for in future either as the LibDems and Greens have long been captured by the ideology.
I'm hoping that the Social Democrats (yes, they still exist as a party and are, or have been, gender critical) manage to field a candidate in my Labour controlled city.

@Gcfemale if you want to talk about gaslighting look no further than our current government. The Tories austerity measures have disproportionately affected women. Men are now playing women's sports-under this government. The police have been cut to the bone -under this government, with the knock on effects to women's safety. NHS the same. Women have suffered more than men under this hideous excuse of a government. Anyone who refuses to vote Labour, AND votes Tory.. or any other party as a protest, in the belief that they are somehow protecting women's rights, is a fool.

Also unless I'm mistaken with my admittedly limited search skills this is a first post by the OP?

Precisely this.

OP, you're being very silly. As are all the 'gender critical' posters who start these threads and drum up poorly researched hysteria day after day here, some seemingly doing nothing else but posting on these topics or lurking in some TRA forum to get themselves upset.

Women’s rights have gone so far backwards in recent years, it’s unthinkable a few years ago. When we thought progress was being made. And which party has been in charge for the last 14 years?

I don't think most of these gender cricitical 'feminists' stalking around MN and ganging up 'mean girls style' to hunt down anyone who dares to disagree with them or who won't answer their plethora of penis questions in the most minute detail are actually feminists. I think they are quite simply old fashioned, not hugely clever intolerants who have found a new cause to be intolerant about, and who think it makes them look a bit more clever. Or perhaps it's to alleviate the palpable boredom in their lives. Seriously, do these women work, the amount of time they spend here banging on about this one 'issue'?

BTW love the idea of Kemi Badenoch holding Labout to account on women and equality issues! 😂

For the record, here is the Shadow Secretary of State for Women and Equalities on Labour's view and plans on this:

We are proud of the Equality Act and will oppose any Conservative attempt to undermine it. We will protect and uphold it in government, including both its protected characteristics and its provision for single-sex exemptions. We need to recognise that sex and gender are different – as the Equality Act does. We will make sure that nothing in our modernised gender recognition process would override the single-sex exemptions in the Equality Act. Put simply, this means that there will always be places where it is reasonable for biological women only to have access. Labour will defend those spaces, providing legal clarity for the providers of single-sex services.

Sure, vote how you want, OP. But don't pretend you're pro women's rights if you vote for the Tories.

@NashvilleQueen of course it is. The pattern of when these threads occur is typical. You could write a dissertation on it. And it's often either first time posters or people who have a track record of being Tory loyalists.

@BobbyBiscuits thank you for the ONS lookup.

@Lion400 there you go, your data has been debunked.