To not vote Labour because of their abhorrent views on the female sex?

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Starmer cannot represent women, he can’t even define us. Questioning a trans person is a hate crime, but misogyny is not. Sorry Labour, you’ve lost my vote. Have they lost anyone else’s??

‘On trans ideology, the vast majority of voters, and certainly a majority of traditional Labour voters from working class backgrounds, tend to cast a sceptical eye on the tenets of an ideological movement that asserts that biological men must be accepted as women – and be offered similar rights and access to women’s spaces and sports as women – simply by asserting their new status’

Labour have to get in. They know they have to be on the fence about lots of issues where they're probably going to take a more radical stance once in power, like Brexit, the EU, the City and so on. They can't be seen to alienate either side too much. You could call it weak but I think they're pretty clued up about where the wind blows and how the Tory media will twist anything and everything. GC views are seen as radical but moving towards more acceptance and the tide is turning. I don't think Labour want to rock that boat until they're in.

I agree, it is disgusting to place a bet on refugee lives.

Tavistock got closed down but new clinics opened up in its stead. I don't really see how that's much of a win from a GC perspective?

Not everyone in Labour is sold on TW are Women argument and they will have to investigate issues when they arise, there's increasing numbers of detransitioners and trans people coming out against the main TRA narrative which can't be ignored forever.

Ultimately, I don't trust Tories to act in the best interests of people. I do believe that the majority of Labour MPs do try to, even if I don't agree with all their policies and standpoints.

For the Badenoch fans: she is very silent on the most vital of women's rights. That tell us a lot.

She hasn't said anything publically about the overturning of Roe v. Wade. She voted against telemedicine for abortion pills. She abstained from votes on buffer zones outside abortion clinics, abortion in Northern Ireland and the decriminalisation of abortion in England and Wales.

What positive actions have the successive Tory governments taken to improve Women’s rights over the past fourteen years?

Yanbu. I feel the same. I’m politically homeless

She is Trump fan

Well he sure knows what a woman is. They're the ones you grab by the pussy.

YANBU OP. I can't vote for Labour over this shitshow.

I do have some sympathy with people feeling uncomfortable about some of Labour’s confused rhetoric on sex.

But I also think they are deluding themselves if they think the Tories will lead them to some feminist sunlit uplands.

All this “Starmer doesn’t know what a woman is” stuff is highly specious. Do all you people think the likes of Lee Anderson will champion women’s rights? Give me a break.

😂 ok

So you don't care about education, the NHS, the poor, the ill, the disabled? All that pales into insignificance for you because Labour want to not treat trans people as pariahs?

It is good that you can laugh at your own absurdities.

Er…why would I be lying?

This.

It's basically a 2 horse race in England. No other parties have a chance of getting enough votes.

You just have to choose who is least worst.

I don't agree with everything Labour stand for, but there are far, far more things the Tory party stand for I don't agree with. If they get in again, I genuinely believe we'll be truly fucked as they'll know they can get away with whatever they want.

I don't think a political party that has any best interests for women exists to be honest...

I think most women do. Certainly most women I know. Unfortunately our voices are almost (but not quite) drowned out by angry men who call us names.

but is there a better alternative for actual quality of life for the average person right now? 🤷

Out of all the women I know, this is the least of their worries. My circle is mainly working class people and they're far more concerned about the cost of living crisis, the NHS being dismantled under our noses and education being massively underfunded.

Environment also ranks highly as does housing.

YANBU and I'm sick of women being told we have to take a back seat because other issues are more important.

Those issues also affect women - especially those whose circumstances don’t allow them the luxury of being obsessed with ideology.

With the undemocratic political system we've got, realistically it's either going to be a Conservative or a Labour Government.

We've spent the last 14 years with a Conservative Government, propped up by the Lib Dems , the Ulster Unionists...anyone self serving enough to back them.

The Conservatives have sold or given away our water, our schools, our trains, our gas, our electricity , our industries - to variously, themselves or foreign governments, to people who care less about this country, who may live abroad or in tax havens.

They are all about contempt for lesser beings ( us), lining their own pockets, backing corrupt people, countries, organisations. They have closed Sure Start Centres, brought in a Universal Credit System with horrendous punitive rules, allowing large numbers of vulnerable people to lose benefits for weeks and months on end.

They have no experience of or interest in, the sort of lives most people in this country have and care less.

We need to think long and hard about who to vote for it's true. But, we need to be grown up. We need to vote for the party who will defeat the Conservatives.

All these anti women policies, eg putting abusive men in women's prisons, allowing transwomen (ie men) to compete in women's races or accessing women's safe spaces etc, have happened on the Conservative Government's watch. They are to blame. They have all the power. The Labour opposition none. They want us to be distracted by spurious claims that it's the Labour Party's fault.

It's the policy of divide and conquer, but surely after all we have seen these last years, we can see through their game. If we vote for the Conservatives we are voting for more of the above.

Overall, will a Labour Government have better or worse policies than the Conservatives? Will they repeal anti trade union laws? Will they be more sympathetic with the poorer sections of society? Will they give more support for the NHS they founded? Will they lift more children out of poverty (as the last Labour Government did) etc?

It's no brainer surely.

Sadly they almost do

Or immigration.

Or anything.

The Labour Party is like one line drunken evening in Islington, full of it 💩.

Mind you the Conservatives and Libdems are no different.

To say we are being led by cowardly donkeys is the understatement of the bluddy year.

I don't think anyone is telling women to have a back seat. They're just saying what they think is important.

I'm a woman and for me dropping standards of living, health care, the environment, housing etc are far more important and will definitely have more of an impact on me.

There are only 2 real options for the government; Tory or Labour. I don't believe the Tories give a flying fuck about women.

They are just trying to jump on a bandwagon.