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To answer my friend honestly about her partner

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Whatdoyouthink65 · 05/02/2024 09:11

Context: My best friend from school and I have fairly infrequent contact now, but are both still available when one or other needs something ( like an opinion or a venting row about something). We don’t see each other much for geographical, familial commitment and conflicting work schedules. My friend has one child from a previous relationship which ended with acrimonious divorce and complex nasty custody battle.
When she met that person I did not like him, told her so nicely ( when she asked for my honest opinion- not unsolicited) and it changed our relationship for a long time. When she got divorced she actually confessed that my concerns about him had been entirely valid and she wished she had listened. I never hold this against her because we’ve all been guilty of being ‘rose tinted’ about partners at some point. After the divorce our relationship returned to how its was pre mariage.

She has a new partner of approximately one year. They appear very happy together and have moved in together- she plans to have another child ( his first bio) soon. He has fully accepted her daughter and has stepped into the ‘ dad’ role fully.

We arranged for us to all meet up recently and she wanted my honest opinion about him. I’m really torn about being honest with her again and potentially ruining our relationship or not acting on my gut and telling her a blasé “ yea he’s nice” answer.

I don’t have issues with everyone at all; in fact I can think of very few other people I don’t like. On the surface there is nothing to dislike about him. He’s polite and as above seemingly makes her feel good/ happy. I just didn’t warm to him initially and always trust my gut , but gave him benefit of doubt ( maybes he’s nervous etc).

However, my toddler took herself to the toilet in our house, then shouted for me when she needed her bum wiping ( as is normal for ourhouse) he got up at the same time as me and I assumed he was going to check on his step daughter who was playing alone in our house at that point. He wasn’t; he opened the toilet door and went to wipe my toddlers bum. Thankfully I was only a step behind him, slid myself between him and her and closed the door, saying that I would do it. My toddler looked terrified at someone she just met an hour earlier being in the bathroom with her ( she’s fairly shy and had barely spoken to him).
it made me REALLY uncomfortable, but I tried to think maybe he was just trying to be helpful although it couldn’t shake being uncomfortable.

later the same day me, my partner, my friend and the new boyfriend went for dinner with their 1 child, our toddler and our 8m old. During dinner our toddler asked her dad to pass some crayons, and the boyfriend seemingly misheard and said “ oh you need the toilet , I’ll take you, come on”. Before I even had chance to interject my partner had immediately said no and passed her the crayons she had actually asked for.

the boyfriend also undermined us several times ( for health reasons we don’t allow our toddler commercial desserts because we can’t measure the sugar in them) their daughter was having a dessert and we had said our toddler could have fruit ( she’s normally very happy with this), she had a bit of envy and asked why she couldn’t have chocolate brownies too and I explained it, she accepted it and then immediately after, the boyfriend said “ don’t listen to mummy uncle will buy you a brownie”. Again we stopped this, but there was a few incidents throughout the day of this nature.

I have real concerns as to his safety around small girls although I have nothing more than my opinion/ feelings to present to my friend.

my friend has text asking “ what do you think?”
would it be unreasonable based on the described incident above to answer her honestly saying that I have some concerns or should I give a safe answer of “ yeah he seems nice”.

OP posts:
NotQuiteNorma · 05/02/2024 15:26

Rather than just having the conversation where you tell her that you will never be having him around your kids again and making your suspicions concrete and permanently undoable, would the safer option for the friendship not just be to tell her that those particular incidents made you extremely uncomfortable and just see what she comes back with? If he's a part of her child's upbringing then she might not see the bottom wiping in the same way you have, he's not a stranger to her afterall. That's not to say your concerns are not justified. Obviously there's no need for him to be doing this when you were there to do it yourself so put that to her and see if she can understand why it was not appropriate with your daughter.

BudgetFoodie · 05/02/2024 15:28

Where does he work?
How did they meet?

He sounds predatory.

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/02/2024 15:31

You need to tell her @Whatdoyouthink65. If you don't and something happens down the line, you will regret saying nothing.

coffeeaddict77 · 05/02/2024 15:33

I think there is a very good chance he is a nonce unfortunately. You are going to have to tell her of your concerns.

Tbry24 · 05/02/2024 15:33

I’d tell friend that you don’t know him well enough to have an opinion.

Does he come from a large family? I personally do and wiping kids bums, feeding them, changing them, buying them treats is all complete standard especially if one of the parents has a younger baby as well. I would do that for any child because of my upbringing as all adults or teens look after the wee ones, that’s how I was brought up.

It’s possible he comes from the exact same large family set up which means everything he tried to help with would be normal every day things he does in his family. I’d give him the benefit of the doubt until I at least knew that about him and saw how he was with his step child.

Parentofeanda · 05/02/2024 15:33

Honestly i think you need to plant the seed so to speak so shes more ... open to the thought of it being a possibility so when the red flags show she is more likely to see them. She may not but I would feel a responsibility to be honest

Angelsrose · 05/02/2024 15:34

The toilet thing is extremely odd. I have never ever come across a man who would offer to take another person's child to the toilet. I am not a person who looks for ill intent everywhere but this is highly inappropriate behaviour. I think you owe it to your friend and her child to mention your concerns.

Allofaflutter · 05/02/2024 15:34

The child is probably being abused right now. The friendship is the least of your worries surely?

Allofaflutter · 05/02/2024 15:35

The mum is so wrapped up in being in love she can’t see it.

NarnianQueen · 05/02/2024 15:54

Violetparis · 05/02/2024 10:21

I would be straight with your friend and say it's not normal for a man to try twice to be alone with a child he's just met when she will not be fully dressed.

Absolutely this

Alargeoneplease89 · 05/02/2024 15:54

My childhood friend asked and I was honest - we no longer speak.

No-one can ever take honesty and sounds like she attracts the crazies. If you honestly feel like she can handle the truth then go for it, I wouldn't want to feel guilty about any possible crimes created in the future and hate it when people say they knew someone was capable of it.

CacenCaws · 05/02/2024 15:58

Tell her. Don't be tactful about it. This man sounds dangerous

Thegoodbadandugly · 05/02/2024 15:59

The toilet thing is very strange maybe he was trying way to hard to make an impression?

PerfectTravelTote · 05/02/2024 16:01

I think you have to let her make her own judgements.

If she asks, don't lie. Just say you're not getting involved.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/02/2024 16:02

My mind is made up. I’m going to have to speak to her and just say that although he clearly makes her very happy - he makes me and my kids and my DH very uncomfortable and that we won’t be spending time with him with our children around in future

Good decision, OP, and when inevitably she asks what he's done you could make it more about the actual incidents than him as a person if that makes sense

Effectively they're the same thing of course, but there's a chance it might help you get get it across without too much of a fall out - unless she's determined to stick by him no matter what, and then you may need to reassess

NotQuiteNorma · 05/02/2024 16:04

Allofaflutter · 05/02/2024 15:34

The child is probably being abused right now. The friendship is the least of your worries surely?

You know it's posts like this that make me wish forums were not anonymous. People wouldn't be so brave if they had to back up claims like this with some actual evidence.

FofB · 05/02/2024 16:07

Ultimately OP, what you say may make her fall out with you- however, it may also let her see that these kind of behaviours are...weird. As others have said, grooming Mum to get to a child is something that happens.

If you've said something, then she notices it herself (e.g he tries to get child alone at bath/toilet time) it might help her to connect the dots. I am a massive believer in trusting your gut. A difficult situation for you OP, good luck.

NarnianQueen · 05/02/2024 16:08

As pp have said, this might well end your friendship, so I'd go gently if you can and just plant the seeds in her head. Wheen you tell her it made you feel uncomfortable that he a) tried to take your child to the toilet, twice and b) undermined you on the sugar thing, I'd say "I know he's probably in parent mode because he's so used to your dc, but doesn't he realises how dodgy that seems? Dh even made a JOKE about him being a nonce, because you know how those are like, classic signs... I'd hate for him to get a reputation of her doesn't realise HOW WEIRD it is to do those things..."

TTCSoManyQuestions88 · 05/02/2024 16:11

Given there is an innocent child involved, I would absolutely have to say it. That kind of behaviour is very strange and she needs to hear it. There is a chance she has doubts already but hearing it from you will validate those doubts. Unfortunately she will likely ignore you and even break off the friendship but you are morally bound to say something. It will play on your mind forever.

Regardless of how tense the conversation goes, at the end make sure to make it clear your are her friend and will be on the other end of the phone when she needs it...be the bigger person, she's clearly very damaged.

Lovelyjubbbly · 05/02/2024 16:13

Red flags OP

MrsCarson · 05/02/2024 16:13

I'm glad you are going to say something to her, but I would start by reminding her that last time I gave an honest opinion it didn't go well and affected your relationship and you were right about him. so it's her choice if she wants to know. If she doesn't then tell her that you, the kids and Dh won't be around him any more.

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 05/02/2024 16:17

Fucking hell.

Major red flags and massive concern for her daughter :( you have to say something, could you forgive yourself if you didn’t, and something comes out? Then it’s for her to see what to do. At the very least she should be checking he’s not on the sex register etc if he’s around her child.

BeReadySoon · 05/02/2024 16:21

OP, perhaps she's asking for your opinion because her gut is telling her something is off but she's too entrenched to be able to identify what is wrong. If she's constantly being undermined then she'll no longer trust her instincts or her opinions. She knows though that you were right before and she trusts you. Please don't let her down. Be gentle, and also specific with examples too. Get her to question the behaviour too. And leave the door open for your friendship. Women who are coercively controlled can take a very long time to get themselves out.

AxolotlEars · 05/02/2024 16:22

Say something. She asked. You can tell her. It may not result in the course of action you would choose as ideal. She didn't recognise what you saw in her first husband but she has subsequently been able to recognise it. In this situation she may have nagging doubts but being gas-lit by this man. Trust yourself in what you are uncomfortable with

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 05/02/2024 16:22

Tbry24 · 05/02/2024 15:33

I’d tell friend that you don’t know him well enough to have an opinion.

Does he come from a large family? I personally do and wiping kids bums, feeding them, changing them, buying them treats is all complete standard especially if one of the parents has a younger baby as well. I would do that for any child because of my upbringing as all adults or teens look after the wee ones, that’s how I was brought up.

It’s possible he comes from the exact same large family set up which means everything he tried to help with would be normal every day things he does in his family. I’d give him the benefit of the doubt until I at least knew that about him and saw how he was with his step child.

So if one of your friends was dating someone with a young child and it was first time you met them, you’d rush to go and wipe their bum alone in the toilet with them, even though you don’t know them, and the parent was fully there and not busy?! Okayyyyy

Not saying I’d never help a friend’s kid in the loo if the parents were busy but I’d always ask first and I wouldn’t if they were a stranger that I had just met that day!