Grandmother killed by 2 XL bullies

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Grandmother killed by 2 XL bullies whilst apparently separating fighting bully pups.

Longer jail sentences, minimum of 5 years for owners of dogs that kill people for not controlling them.

Aibu?

Collies aren't regularly killing & horrifically maiming other dogs & people though are they?

I've grown up with working collies & while one was human aggressive she would nip the backs of legs & maybe bruise, not latch on with a death grip & rag us to the point we expired, which a breed bred to kill indsicriminately will do.

Oh dear. No ones calling for the imprisonment of 'Dave' should his dog knock a child over. Imprisonment for individuals who are unable to control dogs they own that kill. Simple really. That's not hysteria. Just attempting to prevent more deaths by a particular type of dog.

Dogs are animals, they have sentience, they behave like, well, animals. You cannot hold a person responsible for murder or manslaughter because a dog has killed someone

If owners cannot be held responsible it follows that they have no control over the animals, and therefore blows the "it's the owner not the dog" argument to pieces. And it follows from that, that the only effective way to protect the public is for nobody to be allowed to own a large dog that could seriously injure a human, including small children.

The UK is also very unusual in that so many people think it's acceptable to have any dog in a public place and not on a lead. The law needs to be changed so that any dogs not banned entirely based on size per the above must be on a lead at all times when not on someone's private property or in a registered and secure dog exercise field. Owners of dogs should also have to have their premises checked regularly to ensure they are secure with sufficiently high walls/ fences that dogs cannot escape from their property. This should be funded via dog licences that all dog owners must pay for. Anybody not complying with licencing rules should face a very large fine/ prison for non-payment and non-compliant dogs PTS.

We need to start prioritising people over dogs.

I’d cover the owners in dripping and let the gentle, family-friendly dogs at them.

I have seen a photo of the owner of these dogs and I wasnt surprised he looked that that with the hate and attitude in his face 'I can do what I like'.

I am sure the house was tiny yet he had two 'dogs' plus puppies presumably because he is looking to 'sell' them to other stupid people who thought a dog like this makes them look hard. What a scum bag and I have just heard he has been let out on bail

@Mrsjayy the understanding that I have is that Esther the victim was grandmother to an 11 year old boy who was in the house when the dogs attacked. His mother was Esther's daughter and she has passed away. The boy had a close bond with his grandmother as he lived with her for awhile after his mother died.

He now lives with his father who is the owner of the dogs.

The aunt of the boy who is also the daughter of the victim is the one speaking in the media.

That breed of dog needs a total cull. Never a day goes by without other dogs being attacked by uncontrolled XLs, my next door app is full of people reporting attacks, the Police aren’t interested even if the owners have been named.

That would include banning retrievers…you know, the most family friendly dog there is

I was interested to read that the police shot both dogs on site rather than (as is more usual) tranquillising them and destroying them elsewhere.

They must have been totally out of control

I think the socio-economic aspects of the Bully XL phenomenon needs to be explored more, they are most prevalent in socially deprived areas and many people see them as a form of protection/intimidation.

Mind you, the owner looks like a right King Cnut.

You 'd have an "allowed list" of breeds, HRPs would be on it, regardless of weight.
Dobermanns and Rottweilers imho would not be, at least without muzzle restrictions in public.

As the boy lost his mum wouldn't SS be involved with placing him in that home?

I don't know much about the system, but surely whenever a child loses a parent there are outside agencies involved for the child's wellbeing.

Well the owner is back out until March.

Goldies aren't always the family friendly breed they used to be, there are lines with severe resource guarding issues.

Still nowhere near the risk that bullies are, but they do highlight years of unchecked, rampant backyard breeding that has resulted in where we are today.

It’s a bloody miracle the child wasn’t attacked too.

They're a weapon and should be dealt with accordingly.

In the same way a border collie will try and herd anything that moves, a weapon of a dog will attack. It's what they are. We have spent generations making dogs do what we desire them to do from working to attack to being companions.

Add into the mix fucking idiot owners who want one to look well 'ard before they bang on about feds whilst salivating over Peaky Blinders and you've got accidents waiting to happen.

really reasonable points!

Hmm, I have encountered many not-so-friendly goldies in my time as a veterinary nurse.

I firmly believe that ALL dogs should be licensed, and that the owners must go through some formal training (ie Kennel Club Good Citizen Award), before being deemed competent.

My heart goes out to this lady and her family, and also the dogs and their pups - they are victims too of an incompetent owner!

Some people shouldn't have dogs.

I wouldn't go to a house where there were dogs like that
Was it her son and had she been there before?

I do sneer at arseholes like this, why wouldn’t I?

it’s true there is a type that own XL bullies

• scum men
• women with saviour complexes who like scum men

Accurate though...

A golden retriever went for one of the vets throats just last week. They're quite often not as friendly as you'd think.

See imo, this is the problem, people like this just taking over society and making other people's lives a misery and they seem relatively unchecked. These dogs are just a symptom really.
I live near an area where the 'hard man' attitude prevails unfortunately, it's a deprived area for sure, crime is high and barely responded to, it's the same people, the same families who are stealing cars, or driving around without insurance like idiots and crashing into other people, driving while under the influence of God knows what and while already banned for driving under the influence of God knows what, taking what they want and threatening anyone who gets in their way - and these dogs are now a symbol of that type of person, because they're huge, strong and have a propensity to be aggressive (if you think that they were bred originally to take down bulls who can weigh up to a ton and have muscle on muscle, they had to be to do that!)
We as humans bred them to be like that and now they're in the hands of some of the most irresponsible and anti social people, who don't care about the dog, they want the fear and status symbol it provides, so instead of breeding out the characteristics that make them dangerous and unpredictable, they're being bred in.

It's a human made and human perpetuated problem. We can ban the breed, we can destroy and remove the dogs, we can stop any more being bred and let the breed die out, and that will stop these types of dogs killing and maiming people, but until we tackle the type of people that are using these dogs in this way, another method to be anti social and dangerous will take it's place and the cycle will start again. These dogs are a target for these people because of their breed.

That's not to say that I think the ban shouldn't be happening, it absolutely should, we can't carry on with these dogs behaving like this, and responsible owners of these breeds need to recognise that as well, they are responsible and neuter/train/muzzle their dogs but they do need to accept that this type of dog attracts the type of people who don't. I am seeing a lot of "I hate this government" and "It's not fair" posts from owners who have complied and who are responsible owners, and no it's not fair I agree with that, but that doesn't mean something doesn't need to be done either.

Yes and you could pull it back couldn't you, as i have not read of a Vet mauled by Golden Retriever.

Talk about missing the point.

My BIL is a dog trainer - he has trained dogs to sniff out dry rot, disease, bombs and now trains guide dogs. He has given lectures and been on the TV about dog behaviour. He always maintains that dogs are animals and that they need treating as such. Not as 'fur babies' (boak) or members of the family but animals who come behind humans. If they a threat to humans they are gone.

I don't know why there has been a cultural shift to see dogs in such an emotional way. I walk often, in isolated places, and I am absolutely sick of the mentality 'love me, love my dog'. I don't like dogs, I never will. It isn't an offence for me to tell you to get your off lead dog away from me and your dog, to me, isn't a friend. I don't want it jumping up or saying hello to me. I am allowed to dislike something. Until we change the psychology around dogs, namely projecting human like attributes and emotions onto them, we won't shift the risk.

I worry that there will be a lot of owners out there defiant of the ban - I can’t see things actually changing. Who would challenge a person in the street over a non muzzled XL bully?

On a further note this latest attack happened within a home by a non muzzled dog - registration of the dogs has zero factor in prevention here - who is going to muzzle their dogs within their home, especially given their own views that they are gentle? What’s to stop one of their dogs escaping out the front door? Jumping a fence?

Sorry but I absolutely agree that there should be a cull of the breed - this situation cannot be controlled as we are relying on owners being good owners and time and time again, we are proven otherwise - that’s my opinion

We went to a supermarket recently and in the entrance was a ‘hard man’ stood there with his bully, right where we had to walk past to leave. DD was utterly terrified.