Grandmother killed by 2 XL bullies

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Grandmother killed by 2 XL bullies whilst apparently separating fighting bully pups.

Longer jail sentences, minimum of 5 years for owners of dogs that kill people for not controlling them.

Aibu?

I've not really had any dealings with them until yesterday. I walked my dogs somewhere new and walking along a boundary to a local farm I was scared out of my skin when an XL bully came charging at the fence. It was bloody massive, and seriously aggressive and I was actually seriously worried about the strength of the fence it was hurling itself at! Obviously the farm has it for security. There was absolutely no doubt in my mind that it wanted to cause serious damage, and I am very confident and used to big dogs.
Yes labs and the like can be aggressive too, of course they can. But the damage they can cause would be slower and less effective, and tbh I've never seen one that was so incredibly aggressive. Add in the fact XL bully's are owned by people who view them as status symbols and they lack training and socialisation (yes, I know there are good owners out there too.), coupled with the genetic predisposition towards aggression, and the undeniable fact of a serious amount of deaths caused by them and I think they needed to be regulated.

If people love them so much they will register, neuter and muzzle them and comply wjth the regulations in place.

He didn’t know - WTF! There is no arguing with stupid. He is trying to save himself, absolute twat

If you look into the history (I’ve not done this really more into historical reading) most of the bull baiting breeds are Staffies and those types. My own DB as I think I said before had a Staffy, lovely dog but I don’t think I’d have trusted it around young children. When my DB met his first wife she didn’t want the Staffie in her house with 2 girls under the age of 10 (7 and 9). DB got the dog around the time they were popular in London and probably partly for protection for him and his then girlfriend whom he lived with, as well as a pet.

My DM recalls walking her Afghan hound in the 60s in a London park and he ran and fell against a tiny dog (DM had no idea he could do this) but this breed do this to hunt prey so he was doing what came naturally and luckily the tiny dog was fine. The dog was lovely with us kids though!

Too many idiots buy dogs and either do or don’t understand their strength and what they’re bred for.

When the XL bully ban was first mooted there was a moron man on social media, doing a sad face pose and pleading what what would happen to all the puppies (there was a huge number of them - more than 10 iirc) his XL bully had just had after "accidentally" mating with his SILs XL bully.

Either he was lying and it wasn't a accidental litter (most likely explanation)
...but if he wasn't he had a) not neutered it, and b) not in full control of it if it had time to seek out another conveniently also not neutered XL bully dog and mate with it without him noticing. And c) if he had noticed, the morning after pill is available

...so there were so many indicators that this was not a responsible dog owner, and yet so many supportive comments. (It's not the dog it's the owner, ive got one and he's as soppy as anything, mine is best friends with my toddler etc etc)

To be honest those kinds of posts are like a snapshot of the degradation of education and society in general. There's almost a pride in people plastering their simpering stupidity all over social media. Morons crying over 100lb monsters with their small children posed beside them. 'Won't somebody think of the fur babies!' No l will think about your actual children and mine and pray that these dogs vanish from the face of the earth.

It’s so depressing.

I would happily see this breed and similar banned. But I don’t know much about dogs. And experts seem to say that idiots will just move to another breed and train them to be aggressive.

Whilst I blame the individual Neanderthals for these tragedies, there is a wider issue isn’t there. To do with social problems, poverty, lack of aspiration, unemployment, decent role models and an absence of a feeling of empowerment and agency in your life. In deprived areas, if some people feel this is the only way to earn money and/or bolster their self-esteem, then that’s a big problem that all the banning in the world won’t address.

Anyway I hope this man gets locked up with a decent sentence. It’s horrific.

Dog owner = 'He said: “Never in a million years did I see [the dogs] as a risk.'

Where have we heard that claim before? From almost all owners of certain type of dogs. They are not a risk, until they are and turn, then they are deadly.

You're right, it is another symptom of the wider social problems at play. Huge, complex issues that are now generations old and endemic in some communities. Incredibly difficult to tackle and largely ignored (or worsened) by central government.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/owner-dog-killed-baby-girl-32052625

Scotland is banning xl bullies on the 26th of February they have introduced the same restrictions as England and Wales. I mean I don't know why they didn't just do it alongside Westminster, I suspect it was snp petulance of England can't tell us what to do!

@RubyEarWax I would genuinely feel safer with wolves. They apparently tend to be nervous and wary of humans.

I honestly believe anyone who owns an XL bully is severely lacking in intelligence. Genuinely - I’m not even saying it as an insult, I honestly believe they have a very low IQ that prompts them to make such ridiculous decisions. You never see intelligent and professional people with these types of dogs.

I see your point, but I don't think it's down to intelligence or IQ alone, I think it's more an attitude of "I won't be told what to do" - people who have been excused from the responsibility that the rest of us accept is part of living in a society, have never needed to abide by anything other than their own wants and needs and have had that re-enforced by a failure by the law/society to hold them accountable for their actions when they impact on someone else.

It's like only certain people are expected to conform to the formal and informal rules of a civilised and law abiding society, and the outliers are just left to get on with it because there isn't the will or the resources to deal with them, that's before you get to those who actively defend anti social behaviour and blame everything but the person doing it. They've got a tough life, what can we do to make it better - a commendable idea but not one I think works particularly well because it is effectively rewarding anti social behaviour and excusing the personal responsibility that should come with the choices you make.

There will always be people who are like that, but, it seems the outliers are becoming more of the mainstream and so it's harder to tackle and even harder to prevent, and so it just increases. The focus has shifted from a cohesive society and most people playing a part in that to every individual out for themselves and this is the result, or one of them anyway.

I would cheerfully put down some of these owners along with their monster dogs.

I'm finally beginning to understand how liberal, fair-minded people turn into right wing nut jobs frothing at the mouth. Why are we tolerating the endless stupidity of these absolute fools?

That guy whose dog killed a baby has no conscience at all. He knows damned well exactly how dangerous they are, yet he's taken it on himself to help them avoid neutering etc.

So will Scotland be the next place where these dogs kill. They appear to have a rise in numbers of the dogs. Deaths that could be avoided

that guy sending dogs to Scotland after he was jailed for killing a baby, just no words.
And this current guy, he is doing this to get out in front of his jail time. He bred the dog knowing the law was changing. He had this dog for the look and aggression. He knows they are lethal. He’s ruined his sons life.

If that's the case will the influx of XL bullies be culled, muzzled etc. Does the 'man' who is helping move them to Scotland know.

The SNP wouldn't want to say that maybe the rule change on England was correct would they

these dogs currently can't be rehomed or "gifted" and must be muzzled and on a lead by February . I misread the complete ban Is going to be July.

So what would happen to any puppies born after the ban?

@Wheresmykitten

Euthanasia.
Being rehomed illegally without exemption certs.
Possibly staying with the breeder, also illegally.

Unfortunately we have already been involved in the euthanasia of puppies.

"Didn't know they were aggressive"

Agree.

They can't be sold or re-homed. There is nothing else for them except a life in a kennel (though if the breeders are compelled to pay for any/ all kennel time, that might make people a little less keen to churn out these pups/.

They should not have been bred (they would have been conceived while people were aware that the ban was coming - no excuse for them being bred).

I feel heartily sorry for the pups, and even more sorry for the vets who would have to carry out this heartbreaking task, but what else is possible?

Jesus wept!

His vile dog butchered a baby and he only got 18 weeks in jail?

The judge said this “You must have been aware the dog had access and the dog killed that child in an offence of the gravest harm imaginable. Only a custodial sentence is justified." and still only sentenced him to 18 WEEKS!

It's unbelievable!